Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

I want Moneymaker to play more stud/8, am sure the Stars tables were softer than usual with people trying it out as word got around Moneymaker was playing, I only recognised 1 person at my stud/8 1/2 table when I usually recognise 3+. Ended my 3 hours playing up 27 BBs, the other regular I recognised ended up 25 BBs, I think I'll join the Moneymaker fanclub!

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

Mike, we don't have to get started on the whole Moneymaker's a fish baloney, but I briefly skimmed through his book while at a bookstore, and it seems he was a losing low limit hold em player on line before he won WSOP. It would not surprise me if he has no clue how to play 8/B.

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

I actually bought and read his book for my flight home form college last summer and it was a good read. He was/is a degenerate gambler though. He placed well in one the WCOOP stud8 events so I assume that maybe he feels he has a feel for the game? I think it just proves my theory that stud8 tournaments involve a TON of luck. Either way...bad for him, good for mscags and jeffage.

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

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He placed well in one the WCOOP stud8 events so I assume that maybe he feels he has a feel for the game?

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I'm almost positive it was the Stud/8 WCOOP event he finished 3rd (again, I'm not 100% sure, but that was the only event I was following) [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

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I'm almost positive it was the Stud/8 WCOOP event he finished 3rd (again, I'm not 100% sure, but that was the only event I was following) .

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OK, I'm not losing my mind. Here's the link showing "Money800" finishing 3rd in Event #12 of the WCOOP-Stud Hi/Lo. "Emptyseat" is Scott Fishman finishing 2nd and "Fossilman" in 44th.

http://www.pokerstars.com/2005wcoop/event12.html

FWIW, he also finished 16th in the Stud Event
http://www.pokerstars.com/2005wcoop/event09.html

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

Funny thing is that the guy that finished first I've been playing with pretty often, and I've seen him make some terrible plays. Even just easy things like playing something like 225 for a completion and raise. That's interesting. I didn't recognize any of the other finishers.

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

Is it possible that proper play in this game is extremely open to interpretation or do people just play that badly? I think most people who play this game have a clue to an extent so is it possible people have a basic understanding but have notched up their aggression/calling frequency in an attempt to outplay people on later streets b/c they think (rightly or wrongly) that they can read hands well and outplay people on later streets.

It seems the winners is this game often play hands "the book" tells them to discard and also plays them creatively and unconventionally. I just thinkt it's interesting how many different styles of play there are among the (seeming winners). Maybe I'll play later.

Jeff

Re: Moneymaker playing 30/60 Stud/8 on Stars
 

I agree with you Jeff, that there are a ton of diffferent ways to play a lot of different hands and I think hand reading is very important in this game along with deception. There is nothing better than having a disguised high hand going against another high and just punishing them. I really do think though that a lot of people just don't understand the game. I don't see how some people can be long term winners by playing such bad starting hands. I'm really confused with this 30-60 game so far. It plays unlike no other stud8 game I've ever played. I see some people making some of the dumbest plays IMHO but maybe I'm just missing something. I don't know sometimes

Here\'s a good example
 

Villian is the WCOOP champion. Does his play make any sense here? BTW I think I should have checked sixth. But why in the world would he bet fifth? I can make real good cases for him folding his hand on fifth

7 Card Stud High-Low ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.67 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

5th Street - (3.33 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (7.33 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (9.33 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks

Total pot: (9.33 BB)

Results:
Total pot $560 | Rake $3

Hero: [5h 2s 4c 6h 5s 9h Js] (HI: a pair of Fives)

Seat 4: [Th Kc As 3d Qd Tc 8c] (HI: a pair of Tens)

Re: Here\'s a good example
 

There are a couple players in that game who can play weird hands for what seems to be a profit, but that just looks awful.