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10-14-2005 04:56 PM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
I hold out for something better.

jeffraider 10-14-2005 05:35 PM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
Sure I'll run it through SNGPT.

Okay, I'm shocked. Against my Average range of 66+,ATs+,AJo+,KQs pushing 62o here with your stack is +1.2%, which is a huge clear push. My Tight range of 99+,AJs+,AQo it's 1.6%. Pushing here is only really bad if he calls you with 22+,A5s+,A7o+,KJs+, KJo+, and at +.3% it can't be called terrible.

Anyone understand why this is? I'm normally not so wrong on push/folds though this structure isn't one that i'm completely comfortable with.

playtitleist 10-14-2005 05:43 PM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
I too need to buy SNGPT (very very soon, I promise).

Can you re-run it with other shortie at even stack to Hero's? I bet it's closer to even that way.

Nicholasp27 10-14-2005 06:00 PM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
by default, run sngpt on 'maniac' range...many in 11s/22s/16s/27s will call with an even wider range than maniac, but they definitely call with maniac

the model i've found from that is that u push any2 from sb if u have 4.5bbs or less...however, this one could be slightly +ev from sngpt on maniac because when u do the "calculate all" button, it only shows u hands that are +.5% ev or higher

so really, my 4.5bbs from sb means that any 2 is +.5% ev, which is good enough...anything from 0-.4 is iffy cause all the variables aren't calculated and u can't pinpoint villian's calling range accurate enough to put 100% faith in the answer...so .5% is a good point for being 'pretty sure'

10-15-2005 08:41 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
While I wasn't a believer at first, I think I'm coming around.

Someone's been reading this thread:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Button (t1465)
SB (t3223)
Hero (t3914)
UTG (t2898)
MP (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1465</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1265.

Button held 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (what a fish!) and my hand help up.

A bit later in the evening:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) converter

BB (t5530)
Button (t5335)
Hero (t2635)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2635</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

So, I guess it works both ways.

Karak567 10-15-2005 08:48 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
I push this everyday and twice on Sundays.

BradleyT 10-15-2005 08:54 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
You're still short stack if you steal the blinds. So what do you think getting the blinds here is going to accomplish?

Karak567 10-15-2005 08:56 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You're still short stack if you steal the blinds. So what do you think getting the blinds here is going to accomplish?

[/ QUOTE ]

Many things:

Keeps you from getting blinded out faster.

Increases your stack size by a large amount.

Most importantly, it increases your FE in later hands, allowing you to continue to push, pick up blinds, stay alive and eventually win the tournament.

This is a clear push and SNGPT agrees.

Sciolist 10-15-2005 09:14 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
It's basically always right to push any 2 SB vs. BB if you have 13 or less BB. There was an article on it... Which I've failed to bookmark at work.

However, this doesn't take into account the fact that you're going to find better spots, and that the more you push the lower your fold equity for future pushes. In short, you have to pass sometimes otherwise your table image is shot, and you can make more from that image than from this kind of push.

If the BB were me, and you did this more than once or twice, I'd be calling with any 2 with that kind of stack.

Sciolist 10-15-2005 09:15 AM

Re: $16: push ANY two from the SB?
 
To be fair, two hands is hardly a statistical sample.


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