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jason_t 10-08-2005 06:27 AM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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Still, unless the villain is prone to checkraising

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Any game at this limit will be extremely aggressive.

Chris Daddy Cool 10-08-2005 06:51 AM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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. unless the villain is prone to checkraising

[/ QUOTE ]in an online 1/2, thats like saying unless the opponent is prone to breathing.

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you're a wizard with the words.

10-08-2005 09:53 AM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
ah, silly me. then again i haven't played much 100/200 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

W. Deranged 10-08-2005 10:21 AM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K x, probably, though I guess one of the K's doesn't have to be a spade.

Any hand with an A is betting here. QQ is betting here too assuming hero isn't REALLY lame (as I assume he's not given he's playing 100/200).

I rememberd hearing an interesting idea that "if you are playing a heads-up pot with KK, and your line involves folding at any point, you should probably find a new line." Hero seems to be doing that... this is a WA/WB line in position aimed at preventing hero from ever having to even consider folding his hand, as it will be best very often and is vulnerable to few cards when ahead. Playing the hand this way induces villain to bluff or to be a worse hand, like KQ or JJ for value.

baronzeus 10-08-2005 11:55 AM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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hero prob had KK... because no overcards can come to his pair and he will never be folding, his play is ok, but there are some problems with this line...
what if the other guy had 88 this hand... you just checked him into the winner... he prob wont give you action UI, no matter how many times you check, so you are supplying infinite odds without an upside. basically, ppl will play there hand perfectly against (if they are not stupid).. they know you arent folding.
ex. hand from yesterday.
party 100/200
LAG player OR CO, i 3bet KJ in the SB, he caps (uh oh).
flop A97
checkcheck
turn 8
checkcheck
river T
bet call
he had KK... n1.
another problem is that you are giving up value from a Q or gutshot that wouldve called.
also this is just bad for metagame reasons. you always want to have some kind of balance, but checking this flop HU in pos shouldnt be something you do often against typical players... it doesnt make sense.

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your villain is a moron.

Harv72b 10-08-2005 12:32 PM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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another problem is that you are giving up value from a Q or gutshot that wouldve called.
also this is just bad for metagame reasons. you always want to have some kind of balance, but checking this flop HU in pos shouldnt be something you do often against typical players... it doesnt make sense.

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Any halfway decent, aggressive opponent will c/r this flop with any 2 cards against a preflop 3-bettor; this is especially true if he's flopped a flush draw or even gutshot. And that's on middle limits...I would imagine it's even more likely on 100/200. So Hero hates to fold at any point in the hand, given the possibility that villain is holding KQ, a smaller PP, or a draw. Of course, we're assuming that Hero holds KK.

If Hero holds KK, then unless the villain was raising with QJs or something, Hero is either way behind a paired ace/flopped set & drawing to two outs, way ahead of a smaller pair that's also drawing to two outs, or ahead of a draw that's going to call the bet anyway; and when Hero's flop bet is called, that makes it too tempting to check through the turn & possibly give villain a free draw on an expensive street. So checking through the flop is fine...it's also good for metagame reasons, as Hero may eventually want to check through the same flop HU when he hits a set of aces or top two or something.

If Hero does have KK (and I believe he does, probably with the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] which makes it highly unlikely that villain flopped a 4-flush), then I don't mind checking through the flop with the intention of calling to showdown against an aggressive opponent. But I would really like checking through the flop with the intention of raising a turn bet & either folding to a 3-bet or checking through the river UI.

jason_t 10-08-2005 04:12 PM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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I rememberd hearing an interesting idea that "if you are playing a heads-up pot with KK, and your line involves folding at any point, you should probably find a new line."

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I think that this another of one of Clarkmeister's many gems.

flawless_victory 10-08-2005 05:11 PM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
i got a giggle out of that hand.

ep510 10-08-2005 05:24 PM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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But I would really like checking through the flop with the intention of raising a turn bet & either folding to a 3-bet or checking through the river UI.

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I'm not sure I like this line if villian is capable of folding a Q or pocket pair to a raise on the turn.

Harv72b 10-08-2005 05:34 PM

Re: 100/200 hand
 
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I'm not sure I like this line if villian is capable of folding a Q or pocket pair to a raise on the turn.

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I think you have to balance that vs. whether or not villain is capable of folding an ace to the turn raise and whether or not villain will lead again on the river with a hand that we beat, if we don't raise the turn.


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