Re: Coached hand...
 

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QJs when an 8 comes and the times we lose to 88 when a jack comes.


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these hands are not very likely at all.

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QJs when an 8 comes and the times we lose to 88 when a jack comes.


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these hands are not very likely at all.

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Agreed. I am reaching a little with those; trying not to be too generous with our outs on the turn.

Re: Coached hand...
 

I always hate when this happens preflop and flop.

I don't see what you can do about it. I think the chance of 88, two big spades, or insanity makes the river call reasonable at 16-1. You didn't describe the second villain and that is a big omission.

I recently bagged a huge 3-way pot very similar to this by overcalling with an overpair that "obviously" had no chance of winning. In retrospect the bettor had suffered a breakdown and the caller (AK unimproved) apparently knew it or respected the pot size. Folding overpairs for one bet in 16 BB pots may occasionally be correct but it is not the key to happiness. Things that make no sense happen more often than we give them credit for.