Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

Call. You have good implied odds if you hit your straight you could also get the flush..although not likely. If you hit a J though still call down.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

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Call. You have good implied odds if you hit your straight you could also get the flush..although not likely. If you hit a J though still call down.

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I think you have fairly poor implied odds in this situation. Whatever hand you make 1) puts a four-flush or four-straight on the board and 2) can easily be outdrawn by a board-pairing river.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

*grunch*
He's played half the hands and hasn't raised once. It's a small sample but he's raising less than 10% (and now he's 3 bet) and hero is behind here 95%.
I might be tempted to peel one more for a SB convincing myself I had the implied odds BUT the truth is I could still be dominated when I catch my J. Even if I do catch the miracle Q (and he's caught trips), I'm still going to lose ~20%.

FOLD. Punish the [censored] next time.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

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Villain has only 10 hands. Hasn't yet pfr, but VPIP 50%.


Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises, 8 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K, T, A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ???


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Cap pf, fold flop.

I love pocket pairs.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

I call here. Q, J, even of Qd is good here. I don't see raising beating many of the hands that will 3bet and lead on this flop. You're drawing to the nut straight, a decent outside flush, and the trips may very well stay good here if you hit. Since the quality of your drawing hands is high, I say call and see that turn card. Fold if he leads and turn is a blank.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

I think this is an easy fold.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

everyone who said the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is a dirty out, please read the board.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

Thanks all, I did the peel & folded when a blank hit the turn.

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

Grunch

Cap preflop, then either

a) raise/call flop, regardless fold turn ui if bet in to.
b) call flop, reevaluate pot odds for live gs and an out for the JJ too

dependent on your read

Re: I hate pocket pairs (JJ)
 

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everyone who said the Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is a dirty out, please read the board.

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yeah this is clearly clean