Re: Pushing AA2X DS (X being a wheel card) pre-flop vs. maniacs
 

The point I'm trying to express is you're never going to get that 80/20 or 90/10 pre-flop advantage like in HE.

Yes, I'm captain obvious, I'll be here all week.

Re: Pushing AA2X DS (X being a wheel card) pre-flop vs. maniacs
 

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The point I'm trying to express is you're never going to get that 80/20 or 90/10 pre-flop advantage like in HE.

Yes, I'm captain obvious, I'll be here all week.

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You don't have to be a 80/20 or 90/10 favorite to raise, you just need positive expectation, especially heads up. And 65/35 is a pretty large edge in it's own right. 65 cents of every dollar villian puts into the pot before the flop is yours. And a "maniac" isn't a thinking player. He's not thinking preflop he's beat. He's "gambling" with you. Take his money, please.

Re: Pushing AA2X DS (X being a wheel card) pre-flop vs. maniacs
 

Just keep plodding along. I lost five buy-in's in a row when pushing (or being pushed back) on FTP's PLO8 and PLO tables. Always the favorite. One time we had the same aces, but I had something like AA28ds and he had AA56, can't remember if he was suited at all. Of course the 556 came right on the flop, lol, no low materialized.

But regardless, after losing five full buy-in's straight in a row, I still cashed out of FTP ahead a month later (sorry, hate their site), playing almost exclusively PLO8 and PLO, with a little Razz thrown in to relax [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Look at the long run, not the streak of beats.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Pushing AA2X DS (X being a wheel card) pre-flop vs. maniacs
 

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http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1247070
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad as 2d 5s - ks 6d 7c 8c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 5s Ad 2d 259596 295991 204009 0 213239 5834 65 0.658
Ks 8c 7c 6d 101461 204009 295991 0 48968 158995 65 0.342

65/35 this is on the extreme end

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Some random hand comparisons against AA2x...

AA29 vs. Random Hand(worst AA2x hand I think...)

AA29-.6387
11333 High hands won
2269 Draws
22352 hands Lost
49718 Scooped Pots
15728 Low Hands won

AA29 with a suited A
AsA29- .6602
11639 High Hands won
2318 Draws
20774 Hands Lost
52406 Scooped pots
14310 Low Hands won

AA29 Double Suited
AA29ss-.6812
12011 High Hands Won
2232 Draws
19188 Losses
54954 Scoops
13097 Low Hands Won

It isn't as extreme as you think...

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More like a 65/35 or 70/30 favorite. Good work Batman!

And yes, If you have the chance, push AA2, this isnt a small advantage were talking about here. You should be willing to take ANY edge pre-flop, but If your not a friend of variance, maybe more than a slight edge would be good. This is certainly better than slight edge. BTW, I love to be the one pushing this in, not calling it. Be the aggressor, and force your opponents to make the tough decision.