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I would certainly do it with QQ, and I would often do it with AK against a player I have covered.

AK is favored against a pair, after all, if the pair has a decent chance of folding.

Re: fold kk preflop vs solid player?
 

You both had healthy stacks (above average) before this hand. Why would either of you get involved like this without a strong holding? I don't think villain plays this way with AK/QQ. There's a chance he has KK, but when I see the 3rd raise in a cash game it almost always means he has AA. If you push preflop, you know he's calling. One way to play it is to call, then push any non-Ace flop (which is likely). If a Q or J hits the flop and you push, villain will have something to think about.

Re: REPHRASE
 

ok, this is what I was looking for - good players saying that they would play qq that way (I personally disagree, but that's ok)

I called and lost to aa, but thought about it logically and realized that I wouldn't have made that play with anything but aa and wondered if it was the case for other solid players

Re: REPHRASE
 

you guys would play it that way?

The bet was 100 and villain went in for 10,000.

That's a fold.. you need better pot odds than that to call, even if you're sure he does that w/ QQ too.

Re: fold kk preflop vs solid player?
 

I can't see laying this down.

Re: REPHRASE
 

what?

If he does that with qq too (assuming he does it with only qq and aa) it means you're 50% vs his range and you're getting 2.5:1 on your money... it's only a fold if you're very confident he only does it with aces

I have no idea what 'the bet was 100 and villain went allin for 10,000' means, but even if that was the case, it would be a +EV call (barely) if his range is QQ-AA

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you guys would play it that way?

The bet was 100 and villain went in for 10,000.

That's a fold.. you need better pot odds than that to call, even if you're sure he does that w/ QQ too.

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Where do you get 100 bet from? Looks like a raise of 3200 from hero then push of 10k.

And the answer on folding KK is no. Not even close.

Re: REPHRASE
 

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you guys would play it that way?

The bet was 100 and villain went in for 10,000.

That's a fold.. you need better pot odds than that to call, even if you're sure he does that w/ QQ too.

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What bet was 100? Hero raised to 3200, then Villain re-raised to 10,000.

Like I said, it's certainly not a call 100% of the time situation with KK there, but it's definitely a call more often than not one.

Good players want you to call when they have AA and a raise that big is borderline. If he'd gone all-in instead of making it 10k and I think he's at least a half way decent player, I'm calling with KK. If nothing he's shown so far makes me think he's any good, I probably fold and let him take the 3200 chips.

Again, it has a lot to do with your read on the villain. Based on the information given, I'd be calling here.

Re: fold kk preflop vs solid player?
 

get serious. push him in, he is pot committed and if he shows aces so be it. What you think is solid for your play could be viewed as weak-tight by him and he could be making this move with a wide range.

Re: fold kk preflop vs solid player?
 

Laying down KK in low-limit games is -EV.

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Indy