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Redd 09-24-2005 08:30 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
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I raise this preflop if MP is at all loose.

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What if he's unknown?

AdamL 09-24-2005 08:47 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
So raise the turn is the verdict?

Nfinity 09-24-2005 09:19 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
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I raise this preflop if MP is at all loose.

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I don't like that idea all too much either.

Overestimating the weak offsuit connectors, or any weak connectors in general is what costs 6-max players a lot of money. The only reason I would find to raise that hand after 1 or more limpers is to buy the button. Seeing as how you already have it...

Raising anyone, particularly a loose player is bad. Taking a flop with this hand 4 handed with position is awesome.

The way you played this hand was wayyyy to passive.

The way I play it, I just call Pre-Flp, with that Flop I raise with the intention of calling a 3-bet( I haven't considered very much about waiting for the Turn, we could be behind and it's really bad to put in 2BB on the Turn to find out), folding the Turn UI. That's considering no reads and a generally passive table.

The way you played Pre-flop I definetely raise the Flop. The way you played the Flop I'm torn between Raising and Folding the Turn. The way you played it up to the River, I fold the River.

kapw7 09-24-2005 09:47 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
Agreed for the biggest part.
Folding the river would be a big mistake though

09-24-2005 09:53 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
I would have limped PF. BUT since you raised, make a decision, either raise or fold this flop.
If you think you've got the villian beat, definitely raise. If you think you don't but are going to call anyway, definitely raise.
At this point (having raised PF), I'm making only one decision, am I raising the flop with the best hand or the second best hand.

Nfinity 09-24-2005 10:23 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
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Agreed for the biggest part.
Folding the river would be a big mistake though

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Against a passive villian, It's not as big a mistake as you think.

USDaniels 09-24-2005 11:45 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
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The way I play it, I just call Pre-Flp, with that Flop I raise with the intention of calling a 3-bet( I haven't considered very much about waiting for the Turn, we could be behind and it's really bad to put in 2BB on the Turn to find out), folding the Turn UI. That's considering no reads and a generally passive table.


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I think I would raise the flop here as well. It should help you narrow villian's hand selection, especially if you think he'll re-raise with an A. Better to find out while it's cheap.

@bsolute_luck 09-25-2005 11:30 AM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
question for people raising this flop: are you betting the turn if you're not 3-bet on the flop? are you folding to a 3-bet or calling and folding the turn UI?

USDaniels 09-25-2005 01:47 PM

Re: JT 6-max, new at this.
 
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question for people raising this flop: are you betting the turn if you're not 3-bet on the flop? are you folding to a 3-bet or calling and folding the turn UI?

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If he:

1) Calls the flop raise:

then checks the turned ace, I bet. If he calls the flop raise then bets the turned ace, I fold.

2) Re-raises the flop raise

I'd probably call a re-raise on the flop (mostly due to the part in SSHE about not folding to one bet on any street for fear of getting pushed around - that may apply more to B&M situations though). Then when the turn A falls and MP bets out, I fold. The flop re-raise and the bet into the ace convince me.

With a brick on the turn, I probably still fold if bet into but may take the free card if checked to.

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