Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

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but you can't even play for top pair.. you're really looking for two pair or better here... and odds against that are 29:1 for non suited, non connectors... dunno for conneectors, but can't be considerably better, probably 22 or 25:1

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Sure, and the difference between suited and offsuit isn't that great here either. Yet you'd call if it was suited, and not offsuit. Why?

I'm not really playing for just top pair -- but I also have position. let's say the flop comes jack high, minraiser makes a continuation bet, I raise or call ... i find out pretty quickly where I am, and don't put much into the pot with TPWK.

I don't think I would have run into many serious problems with my call here if shortstack hadn't pushed, creating a large pot that got me to come along because of the 3:1 odds I was offered. So let's say I make the mistake of calling the minraise preflop -- do I really fold getting such good odds? if so, why?

-cj

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

The second raise is a really easy fold because even though you're getting great odds, you're in a shitty spot, between a LAGgy minraiser and a shorty. More importantly, both have shown strength, so you don't know what cards help you and could easily end up spewing (or just folding a monstrous % of flops, which is also bad). In effect, your implied odds are negative here because you've got a crappy situation to play this hand in.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

Well i think thre is a big differencec between suited and nonsuited.. you know to get away when you dont get atleast two of your suit. So you don't lose more when you don't hit. Playing it for less than two pair (like you did on the flop, for all your chips) gets you in bad situations...


When i said i'd play it if it were suited, i was talking about calling just the BB.... i don't play JTo often.. usually only in LP after a limper or two, or as a steal when it's folded to me.

I don't play JTs to a raise normally either.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

The flop was bad, but there was a reason I bet it (not just because I overplay top pair). Villain could have a wide range of hands, but his mere call of the preflop reraise makes me think he doesn't have a PP > 88. There were 2 diamonds on the flop and he checked it to me I can't see him doing this with any hand that hit the flop ... they have to bet because they expect to be ahead and there's a flush draw out there. So my read was the flop didn't help, but if my hand is good, there are a lot of cards that could be bad for me on the turn/river. I actually just figured he'd fold and I'd be in good shape against shorty.

So sure, I didn't figure he hit his set, and the pot was so large that I don't think I can fold to his reraise. But in my defense, he caught a great flop. He hit his set, I hit top pair and there was a draw so I had to bet it. Smaller flop bet? Should I fold to a reraise?

-cj

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

i don't have a problem w/ your flop play... just Preflop you got yourself into a bad situation, and it all would have been saved if you just folded when it got to you.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

Flops Suck. Flops Suck. Flops Suck. especially with what is ultimately a TROUBLE HAND. FOLD PREFLOP. THERE IS NO DEBATE HERE.

When you are chip leader, that does not widen your calling standards really. It gives you the ability to RERAISE if you know the raiser, but I have spent so much money this way. BE TIGHT PREFLOP. NOTHING WRONG WITH PICKING SPOTS.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

I have the exact some problem, and they're correct. Big stacks let you control the table, but they don't let you make stupid calls. It lets you have more fold equity against non shortstacked people, though. Fold preflop, wait for better spots to stick your money in.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

The mere fact that you went broke with top pair here is a justification for folding preflop... You wouldn't be sucked in if you folded.

I would much rather take a flop with 67s or 22, than JTo.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

If you want to punish the guy who minraises lots of hands, reraise preflop.
If you play preflop as you did I probably check it down. With an all in there's no worth in bluffing a dry side pot, and you bet so much that you committed yourself with a mediocre hand. If I do bet the flop, it's not nearly as much as you did-- and DEFINITELY enough that I can get away from it against real strength.

Using a big stack effectively means attacking where you sense weakness, not widening your raising and calling standards and willingness to put people all-in with mediocre holdings.

Re: Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack
 

I THINK I'd have folded preflop to the reraise.

That said, I definitely would have check-folded the flop ... Top pair.weak kicker isn't what you were looking for in this hand. You were looking for two pair or a straight.

Being the big stack means you can take chances to increase your stack even more without crippling yourself. Better luck next time.