Re: Harrington\'s call
 

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...yea it does. It's not even close, it's an easy call. What are you afraid of to not call a 3.5-to-1? You have better odds than that against JACKS. Sure you won't know if your queen is any good even if you hit it, but what does it matter? He doesn't know if his hand is any good either. You have to assume that any high pair is good when the blinds are that high.

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hes not all in preflop. following yer advice you should call with any 2. that is just plain wrong. holla

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

Read my edit. Medium pair is good enough to stuff it with blinds this high three-way. At this point, you just have to stuff your chips in when a queen flops even if either an ace or a king comes out too (it's debatable if the flop comes AKQ).

If he has a higher pair, oh well, hope you suck out. But given the range of hands, you're better than 50/50 playing this way because he will have either an ace or a king, but not both. So given his most likely holdings (A-x or K-x), it's a 50% chance that it missed him. Add that to the fact that he may just have a small pair. If he had a better queen than you all along then that's just tough luck, but remember that there was a much smaller chance of him having another queen when you already held one. He may even fold a weak queen that beats yours! I'm not advocating calling with something as bad as 10-2 because it just has too high of a chance that the ten will get beaten by a higher pair.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

ummm, easy call? you're wrong man, calling isn't horrible, but stop and go or folding is best play.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

You also have to take into account that Harrington is probably better than the very good SNG players and majority vote doesn't mean much in poker when the majority loses (and I'm pretty sure the majority of good SNG players will lose to Harrington).

That isn't to say that the stuff in the book isn't debatable. I'm debating that Harrington is absolutely right here, although the reason he gives misses out the important detail of how to play it after the flop.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

It's not that bad a play if button is mini-raising just about any two cards, and will fire a good-sized bet on the flop (say 2/3 pot size) when checked to regardless of what he has. Then, you're paying 500 to have 3250 (3750 total, 2250 + 1500 flop bet) in the pot against a random hand (or very wide range of hands). The 1/3 of the time you pair the flop, going to war in that situation (esp. given your relative stack sizes) is just fine - a pair on the flop HU against a random hand is a good hand. Even if you check-fold the 2/3 of the time you miss, you have some FE still as well. And given the texture of the flop, you have options for the stop n' go as well, etc...

But with "no reads" as given in the problem, I don't agree with the play.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

Can you elaborate on how it's not an easy call? Keep in mind that you're willing to just give him a pot the size of a little more than 1/4th (!) of your stack when you have a very, very low chance of pot odds not playing in your favor. I am very strong when it comes to heads-up and shorthanded play and I can say with utmost confidence that it's an easy call for the reasons I have stated.

Folding this hand is worse than pushing All-In with it. Even if you get called, you're most likely a little better than 2-to-3 underdog since he's probably going to have 1 card higher than a queen and 1 card higher than a six. Added to that is the fact that he may fold. And you're gonna fold 3.5-to-1 odds and let him run over you? I just don't see how anyone can suggest that folding is the best option. It's gotta be the worst option available.

Edit: By the way, now that I think about it, it's also semi-important that the other card is a six. If the other card was a three, I would probably fold. But because it is a six, there's a good possibility of making medium pair with the six as well.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

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I would only call this if I planned on stop-n-go on any flop. I don't use stop-n-go very often, but this looks like a good spot.

Drink More,
RedRum

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In fairness to Harrington, he did mention that the texture of the flop JT5 (two suited) prevents him from attempting a steal.

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

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So given his most likely holdings (A-x or K-x), it's a 50% chance that it missed him.

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you need to get yer numbers right.

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He may even fold a weak queen that beats yours!

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lol.

yer game needs work. holla

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

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You also have to take into account that Harrington is probably better than the very good SNG players and majority vote doesn't mean much in poker when the majority loses (and I'm pretty sure the majority of good SNG players will lose to Harrington).


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if harrington gets 1k of his 2300 chips in on this hand, and check folds the flop, there is no way he will ever beat me long term in sngs. ever. i dont care what a majority vote says either way, calling 500 more with Q6o and check folding the flop is just atrociously bad.

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I'm debating that Harrington is absolutely right here

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he is simply not right here. thats all there is to it.

holla

Re: Harrington\'s call
 

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Can you elaborate on how it's not an easy call? Keep in mind that you're willing to just give him a pot the size of a little more than 1/4th (!) of your stack when you have a very, very low chance of pot odds not playing in your favor. I am very strong when it comes to heads-up and shorthanded play and I can say with utmost confidence that it's an easy call for the reasons I have stated.

Folding this hand is worse than pushing All-In with it. Even if you get called, you're most likely a little better than 2-to-3 underdog since he's probably going to have 1 card higher than a queen and 1 card higher than a six. Added to that is the fact that he may fold. And you're gonna fold 3.5-to-1 odds and let him run over you? I just don't see how anyone can suggest that folding is the best option. It's gotta be the worst option available.

Edit: By the way, now that I think about it, it's also semi-important that the other card is a six. If the other card was a three, I would probably fold. But because it is a six, there's a good possibility of making medium pair with the six as well.

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i gotta ask.. you are new and all.. what level of sngs do you play? im going to be as honest and kind as possible here. playing like this, and check folding Q6.. and saying things like shoving is better than folding here.. i dont know if you could beat the 22s.

holla