Re: Q9 hand...good fold or weak play?
 

*in the dark, critique at will )

I'm calling the turn, possibly behind, ready to fold river UI. I'm putting the Button on some overpair, A-J with a Q, or worst-case scenario, possibly a made set with some PP. I'm thinking the MP1 is on some flush or str8 draw.

The way I figure, calling the turn is 12:1, and you are closing off betting as a perk. I estimate 3.5 - 4 outs (avoiding helping flush/str8 and implied added on river), 10.5 to 1, so call and fold if UI on river.

(Really trying to improve this part of my game, so if I'm off, please comment!)

Re: Q9 hand...good fold or weak play?
 

*GRUNCH BY THE WAY*
Preflop: Seems ok, Mp3 with callers...

Were behind: AA/KK/QQ/AQ/KQ/QT so yeh besides AK/AJ/AT not much a PFR will beat(And his PFR isnt to high so assume nice hand if you have good smaple size?).

Ok, i suppose a fold is ok but if you want another line it might be:

Raise(Fold 3bet), Check river... Call 1 for SD depending on potsize/Whose still there/What card it is - BUT WE ARE HOPING HE CHECKS BEHIND REALLY(Pity we cant take free SD - position sucks).

Edited to add this: My "Fold is ok" is wrong, the pots huge and we have outs to 2pair i reckon.

Re: Q9 hand...good fold or weak play?
 

Thanks for the replies...tbh i stopped looking at this thread after i realised that its an easy call on the turn, but seeing as there has been some interest ill post the results:

River goes check, check.

MP player has JJ
Button has KJo for a busted straight draw

And im a moron for not calling on the turn... the only thing i can take from this hand is:

Whilst i count the pot size pre-flop and on the flop, i tend to discard the information on the turn if i have no obvious draws(e.g. flush/straight/etc). Clearly this is a very stupid thing to do, so i wont do it anymore [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]