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09-13-2005 03:19 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
If your bankroll could use a $500 boost, I say unregister and take the money. If your bankroll wouldn't miss the 500, I say go for it, as you have as reasonable a shot as anybody else.

It may be worthwhile to read Tournament Poker for Advanced Players to get a hold of some tournament strategy.

Ribbo 09-13-2005 04:06 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
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Isn't the experience of playing in a large tournament with nice payouts "something"? Or does the "something" you mention have to be money? You are talking about hm learning the game and such and even mention confidence and mental attitude. So why bail out and miss out on the experience - which he needs. Doesn't make sense to me.

Play the tournament - have fun - pay attention and learn what you can.

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You can't have fun when you're playing above your comfortable threshold for a stake. He will not learn anything playing in that tournament that he wont learn playing in other multitable tournaments with smaller buyins. Your comments make little practical sense.

TGoldman 09-13-2005 04:30 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
Had you not won the seat, would you otherwise consider buying directly into the tournament for $500? Why or why not? Don't think of the seat as a freeroll. It has real cash value that should be considered as part of your bankroll. Thinking of playing the tournament as solely a learning experience is an awfully expensive way to learn.

Alchemist 09-13-2005 05:28 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
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Had you not won the seat, would you otherwise consider buying directly into the tournament for $500? Why or why not? Don't think of the seat as a freeroll. It has real cash value that should be considered as part of your bankroll. Thinking of playing the tournament as solely a learning experience is an awfully expensive way to learn.

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I never, ever would have considered spending $530 to enter the tournament directly--that's over 20% my current BR. In fact I wasn't even aware until I won the super sat that you could unregister, take W$ and sell them to other players (for about 90% their face value). Thus arose the dilemma. The only other tourneys I've entered were a handful of $10+1 MTTs and $5 SnGs. FWIW I did place 5/291 in one of the $10 ones.

I've been playing (and winning) online for 9-10 months. I'm probably long overdue for moving up in limits and I think the extra few hundred will help as a buffer for downswings.

Ribbo said:
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He will not learn anything playing in that tournament that he wont learn playing in other multitable tournaments with smaller buyins.

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I agree I won't learn anything significant. However I think it'd be a great experience to see how I match up against the supposed 'best'. Which would be one of the regrets if I didn't play, because I think I could play a strong game like in the super sat.

However the situation is exactly like how TGoldman puts it. Since I can take a near cash equivalent out, it's really no different than spending the money to buy into the tourney.
So after a lot of deliberation, I've decided to sell my seat and watch the match from the rail. I appreciate everyone's thoughts, discussion and book suggestions, I'll give them a look.

Cheers

PhilTheThrill14 09-14-2005 04:00 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
"You can't have fun when you're playing above your comfortable threshold for a stake."

Says who? You?

"He will not learn anything playing in that tournament that he wont learn playing in other multitable tournaments with smaller buyins."

Says who? You?

Your comments make little practical sense as well - as they are generic and unfounded. Of course he can have fun - it's not like he has put up the actual $500 to enter - it's almost like a freeroll (I said almost) situation for him. I know I could have fun and the stakes would be way above my usual stakes - and I mean way. He'll get the experience (learn what it's like) of playing for high stakes - he won't get that playing in the lower buy-in tournies you speak of.

I think your response was incorrect - can you provide me with something to backup your belief that he can't have fun playing for high stakes (do you know him?) and that he won't learn anything useful that he couldn't already learn in a low(er) buy-in MTT? I just don't see it.

Ribbo 09-14-2005 05:14 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
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Your comments make little practical sense as well - as they are generic and unfounded. Of course he can have fun - it's not like he has put up the actual $500 to enter -

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Yes he has put up the $500. He won the entry fee in the previous tournament, he can then choose whether to enter this one or use the tournament dollars in any other events.
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He'll get the experience (learn what it's like) of playing for high stakes

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Bullshit. This is completely meaningless and pointless when it comes to experience. The experience that matters is learning tournament strategy, and how to adjust your aggression to the willingness of other players to fold or call with their marginal hands. Experiencing "high stakes" has absolutely no bearing on the situation, especially since he wont be playing "high stakes" for a very long time. Such a tournament will attract the same skill of players as any $50 multitable, with one main difference, he himself will only get one chance to learn how to play.
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he won't get that playing in the lower buy-in tournies you speak of.

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That's because he for a long time will be playing lower stakes, so there is no reason whatsoever for getting "experience" playing anything other than the stakes that matter. I have no interest sitting in the same game as Doyle Brunson to get experience playing him because I never intend to play him. There is no value whatsoever in what you are suggesting.

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I think your response was incorrect - can you provide me with something to backup your belief that he can't have fun playing for high stakes (do you know him?) and that he won't learn anything useful that he couldn't already learn in a low(er) buy-in MTT? I just don't see it.

[/ QUOTE ] To stake $500 in one go, is a lot for anyone who admits it would be a significant portion of his bankroll. Let me put it another way for you. One of the important, and I stress this, factors for omaha is bankroll management. If he hasn't got the brains to take the cash rather than the tournament entry, then he will become a terrible player, who plays above his limit regularily and will experience going bankrupt for his roll.

Drizztdj 09-14-2005 05:26 PM

Re: Playing in the WCOOP main event
 
Unless you have a high 5 or 6 figure bankroll, I don't think a $500 tourney is the place to "have fun". There's plenty of $1 and $2 tourneys for that.


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