Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

What is your action if you DON'T pick up the flush draw on the turn, you lead the turn and get raised.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

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What is your action if you DON'T pick up the flush draw on the turn, you lead the turn and get raised.

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Against an unknown you fold.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

"Against an unknown you fold."

Also, it is unmistakably wrong to check the turn if you don't pick up a draw. Since hero did, what to do on the turn is at least worthy of discussion.

-Michael

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

I like the flop check-raise, typical UTG players will bet a variety of hands that don't contain a king here.

But you MUST bet the turn after the flop check-raise, you want to fold some pairs, 99-JJ might fold in this case.

The River is fine.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

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"Against an unknown you fold."

Also, it is unmistakably wrong to check the turn if you don't pick up a draw. Since hero did, what to do on the turn is at least worthy of discussion.

-Michael

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I am not "checking with outs" here I may not be behind. Getting raised sucks but I want to fold villain on the turn.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

Folding a better hand on the turn is really a pipe dream. There is plenty of value in betting, but checking makes sense too - some of the worse hands will bet into you, kings don't get a chance to raise, you have a decent draw, etc. Plus, you can sometimes bet/3-bet when you river a flush against trips.

Still, checking isn't good enough here. Too many of Villain's potential hands are worse and will pay off. If Hero held 98s or something similar the check is much more interesting IMO.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

Bet the turn.

Getting raised does suck if you are drawing but there are a ton of things that outweigh that extra cost:

-You may have the best hand, and if you were ahead on the flop you are most certainly still ahead here.

-You may encourage a hand like 99 or TT to fold (that would be awesome).

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Folding a better hand on the turn is really a pipe dream. There is plenty of value in betting, but checking makes sense too - some of the worse hands will bet into you, kings don't get a chance to raise, you have a decent draw, etc. Plus, you can sometimes bet/3-bet when you river a flush against trips.

Still, checking isn't good enough here. Too many of Villain's potential hands are worse and will pay off. If Hero held 98s or something similar the check is much more interesting IMO.

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Sy these are all good points and I'm pretty sure this is what Michael was getting at but check/raise check/call is a line I can honestly say I have never taken and I do believe there is a chance to fold out a better hand here slim but a chance. What do you think of the flop play with UTG betting into the field? Would you ever consider check/call bet or just leading out on the flop? I think the flop play here is equally as important as the turn so I would like to hear yours or anyone elses opinion on it.

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

You need reads on UTG badly. Why'd you check/raise then check?

Re: How should I have played this differently?
 

you know what you should have done on the turn, but damn villain is begging for a c/r. i would have taken mental note of this for later hands.