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Re: Happy Hour KK hand. Fold Preflop?!

In a tournament here... I call in a heartbeat, but I'm not happy about it. As far as never folding KK preflop online? I did it for my first time last night. Playing 400NL UTG+1 limps, me(MP) raises 5BBs($20), MP+1 moves all-in for 380. Easiest fold of my life. I said "KK" and mucked, donk showed aces.

Re: Happy Hour KK hand. Fold Preflop?!

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after the villain re-reaised to 160 you should have PUSHED!
no re-raising malarchy, just flat push.

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I agree, you should be either calling this or pushing right here.

I don't know what I'd do to reraise #4, but given the level of play early on in these it's probably *still* a call.

Re: Happy Hour KK hand. Fold Preflop?!

What is the buy-in? If it's $20 or less, I call.

$50 or more, I fold.

Edit: addendum, just looked at the pot odds. You gotta call.

Re: Happy Hour KK hand. Fold Preflop?!

I'm not much of a tourney player but my thinking here is if you call and win you've built a huge stack early on and will be in the driver's deat to finish in the money. If you call and lose you busted with KK, what can you do? It very well could be the only big hand you get all tourney.

Good luck,
Matt

After reviewing it I guess I should've called due to how much was in the pot. I just had that horrible feeling like he definitely had AA and I was just throwing the chips away. I decided to fold for 2 reasons. First, I still had 1000 chips left. If I only had 400 left, my tourney is over anyways if I fold so I might as well call. Secondly, the other player called all the raises, leading me to believe he had either JJ, QQ or AA, eliminating that as possibilities for the other villain. I decided to fold and ended up getting 2nd in the tourney in the end. It's probably results oriented, but I just had that horrible feeling you get sometimes.

***** Hand History for Game 2615539695 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:15254563 Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Sunday, August 28, 22:39:06 EDT 2005
Table Happy Hour $10,000 Guaranteed(436271) Table #7 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: yia111 ( $1340 )
Seat 2: Luigi399 ( $1305 )
Seat 3: nErv_ ( $1925 )
Seat 4: Lintje ( $695 )
Seat 5: DaActionKid ( $1105 )
Seat 6: moneymannc ( $1005 )
Seat 7: rsaylor ( $1005 )
Seat 8: BillChen ( $920 )
Seat 9: acekicker_70 ( $230 )
Seat 10: z32fanatic1 ( $1455 )
Trny:15254563 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to z32fanatic1 [ Ks Kh ]
Lintje folds.
DaActionKid folds.
moneymannc calls [20].
rsaylor calls [20].
BillChen folds.
acekicker_70 folds.
z32fanatic1 raises [90].
yia111 raises [160].
Luigi399 calls [150].
nErv_ folds.
>You have options at Table 44803 Table!.
moneymannc folds.
rsaylor calls [140].
z32fanatic1 raises [410].
yia111 is all-In [1180]
Luigi399 is all-In [1145]
rsaylor folds.
z32fanatic1: lol
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.

z32fanatic1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 6h, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Luigi399 shows [ Qc, Qd ] a pair of queens.
yia111 shows [ Ah, Ac ] a pair of aces.
yia111 wins 35 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
yia111 wins 3310 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.
Player Luigi399 finished in 80 place
>You have options at Table 12350 Table!.
Luigi399 has left the table.
The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place.
Game #2615555356 start.

Re: Happy Hour KK hand. Fold Preflop?!

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In a tournament here... I call in a heartbeat, but I'm not happy about it. As far as never folding KK preflop online? I did it for my first time last night. Playing 400NL UTG+1 limps, me(MP) raises 5BBs($20), MP+1 moves all-in for 380. Easiest fold of my life. I said "KK" and mucked, donk showed aces.

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In this situation I would definitely call with KK because this is just such a massive overbet which is more likely to be AK, JJ or QQ than AA. Also, it's only 1 buyin so it's not too big a loss.

The band-aid "never fold KK preflop online" statement really is out of line.

You are in the Stars 25k, there are 38 left with $15k for 1st. You are currently in 14th place with t280,000 and blinds are 10k/20k plus antes.

You are the 2nd biggest stack at the table, just behind the leader with 300k who is very solid and a known commodity as a winner.

You have a tight image and have shown down AK, AK, JJ, and 77 (against a shortstack) in 45 minutes.

You pick up KK UTG and raise 4xBB to 80k.

Folded to chipleader who pushes all-in for 300k, and it is folded back to you.

Thus far he has not shown any propensity towards wild plays, and the only time he has come over the top was with QQ vs a medium-stack that would not cripple him.

There are times when folding KK is correct. Period.

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The band-aid "never fold KK preflop online" statement really is out of line...You are currently in 14th place with t280,000 and blinds are 10k/20k plus antes...You pick up KK UTG and raise 4xBB to 80k...Folded to chipleader who pushes all-in for 300k

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lol

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The band-aid "never fold KK preflop online" statement really is out of line.

You are in the Stars 25k, there are 38 left with $15k for 1st. You are currently in 14th place with t280,000 and blinds are 10k/20k plus antes.

You are the 2nd biggest stack at the table, just behind the leader with 300k who is very solid and a known commodity as a winner.

You have a tight image and have shown down AK, AK, JJ, and 77 (against a shortstack) in 45 minutes.

You pick up KK UTG and raise 4xBB to 80k.

Folded to chipleader who pushes all-in for 300k, and it is folded back to you.

Thus far he has not shown any propensity towards wild plays, and the only time he has come over the top was with QQ vs a medium-stack that would not cripple him.

There are times when folding KK is correct. Period.

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I would call in this case as well because it's only 1 reraise and AK plays like that enough to make it profitable. Also, that's a $10 tourney in which case I'm never folding KK preflop because there are too many donks. My thinking with my hand was that my reraise to 500 basically announced that I had either AA or KK. For the other guy to repush, I thought he could only have AA there. Even QQ just calls most likely (As the 2nd villain did when facing a raise and minreraise).