Re: David Pham Chops
 

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If you're willing to take advantage of a rule as contrary to poker as the "f-bomb" in order to win, you're essentially being greedy

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I won't argue with that. But greed is one of the reasons that I entered the poker tournament in the first place, or play poker at all.

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and tacitly admitting you don't have the edge to beat your opponent organically.

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Come on, this doesn't make sense.

Let's say that I am a somewhat better player than David Pham, and for the sake of argument we are even in chips when this comes up. So maybe I am a 55-45 favorite to win the tournament if I take the penalty with him. However, if I don't take the penalty with him, maybe because of the chips I gain I jump to a 60-40, or 70-30, or whatever favorite. It would still be +moneyEV for me to make this play, although the gain in spiritual growth that I might experience might very well more than make up for that money I am missing out on. But I doubt it.

Anyway, my point is that it is silly to say that I am "admitting that I don't have an edge in the first place."

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Most resepctable poker players would consider it a scumbag tactic.

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Well right now we have something of a sample size issue, but I would be interested to hear from some other respected poker players on this issue.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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Well right now we have something of a sample size issue, but I would be interested to hear from some other respected poker players on this issue.

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I can assure you that among sane members of the poker-touring population, taking advantage of the f-bomb rule in a headsup situation is still considered an extension of angle-shooting.

Poker is supposed to be a gentleman's game, and, yes, ruthless behavior has its place in the game, it simply shouldn't have anything to do with the "f-word."

Re: David Pham Chops
 

In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule.

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I'm not sure what you mean about the "embarassing situation." Please elaborate.

As for reevaulating the rule, I doubt it will happen. California card players don't know how to behave and floormen presumably need rules like this to maintain a sense of leverage.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule.

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I'm not sure what you mean about the "embarassing situation." Please elaborate.

As for reevaulating the rule, I doubt it will happen. California card players don't know how to behave and floormen presumably need rules like this to maintain a sense of leverage.

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It'd apply more to a big tournament with onlookers. The casino would certainly be embarassed if one player essentially left in boycott, ruining the heads up portion of the tournament.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

Here's an idea.

Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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Here's an idea.

Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude.

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FU.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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I think it started in LA cardrooms, where player and dealer abuse was a big problem and people apparently need rules to inform them that using the "f-word" is often impolite. It was a constant source of nagging at the WSOP 2005.


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I thought it started when all the TV exposure started in an attempt to "clean up" the image of poker. I haven't played in Cali that often, but I first heard of the rule 3 or 4 years ago at the WSOP.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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Here's an idea.

Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude.

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I'm an adult playing a game that requires you to be over 21 to participate, and playing it in a casino. I shouldn't have to watch my language like I was playing in an elementry school.

Re: David Pham Chops
 

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Here's an idea.

Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude.

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I'm an adult playing a game that requires you to be over 21 to participate, and playing it in a casino. I shouldn't have to watch my language like I was playing in an elementry school.

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If there is a chance that cursing makes fish uncomfortable, why not restrain yourself from doing it? I understand the occasional slip, but grow up.