RESULTS and my surprised comments.
 

i bet for value rather than checkraising for value.

he called with 76o.


im very surprised

-people would fold T8ss in the sb vs. two players this bad.
-people think c'ring here is a bad option and that c'calling is better than betting. there is 1 overcard, my hand is so likely to be good vs. this guy its not even funny. the question is whether he has a 7 or a 5 and bets and calls a raise more than he calls the simple bet. in teh end my greed didn't overtake my logic and i bet...but i think c'ring is a very very close second with c'calling being way down the list.

-Barron

Re: close (meaningless?) river decision...
 

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the river choice imo is between betting and c'ring.

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]checkraising? cmon man... LOL.

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explain your "lol" using his hand range and stats.

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]why dont you just say he is a psychopath in the OP (if thats the case)?...
i dont use PT, so when you dont call him anything but "CO", i assume he is average higher limit internet player.

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i have to ask you, why make a derogatory post about "lol'ing" my riv c'r option if you dont even understand the original assumptions of my original post???

how can you play higher limit limit holdem w/o pokertracker?

-Barron

Re: close (meaningless?) river decision...
 

This seems like an obvious bet... he will call with AK or AQ that he would've checked behind, and he'll be hard pressed to find a raise IMO

Re: close (meaningless?) river decision...
 

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how can you play higher limit limit holdem w/o pokertracker?

-Barron

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I don't have it. I seem to do ok.

Re: close (meaningless?) river decision...
 

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how can you play higher limit limit holdem w/o pokertracker?

-Barron

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I don't have it. I seem to do ok.

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multiply ok by 1.1 at the very least. spend $55, buy it, get playerview or whatever. you'll do better. but i'll repost for those non users.

-Barron

player descriptions...
 

for non PT users.

the villians are both very loose and very agressive.

-Barron

Re: RESULTS and my surprised comments.
 

What would you have done if he had raised you? Called? Cause a guy with his stats won't even blink as he raises you with a worse hand on the river.

This is just one reason I don't like your river bet. Getting raised here would suck. And why exactly are you afraid of checking to him? Do you think he'll check behind with any worse hand? Come on. He's a LAG, he's HU, and he can practically feel the chips getting pushed his way. In his mind, he's one bet away from getting you to fold. I'd much rather check and induce a bluff from whatever he has than bet and

(a) risk having to make an ugly call if he raises

or

(b) see him fold his worthless hand when he realizes the bluff is over

So here's a question for you. Do you think you're not being even a little bit results-oriented in your post-hand analysis on this one?

As for preflop, your call is not terrible, but my suspicion is that it's -EV.

Re: RESULTS and my surprised comments.
 

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What would you have done if he had raised you? Called? Cause a guy with his stats won't even blink as he raises you with a worse hand on the river.

This is just one reason I don't like your river bet. Getting raised here would suck.

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your statements are contradictory. and i woudl have not blinked before i called his raise.

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And why exactly are you afraid of checking to him? Do you think he'll check behind with any worse hand? Come on. He's a LAG, he's HU, and he can practically feel the chips getting pushed his way. In his mind, he's one bet away from getting you to fold.

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and after i raise his bet he'll think "oh i gotta see this"

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I'd much rather check and induce a bluff from whatever he has than bet and

(a) risk having to make an ugly call if he raises

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your comment above and my response state its nowhere near an ugly call.

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(b) see him fold his worthless hand when he realizes the bluff is over



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or call with K high, any pair, even a worse 8...i still think checking with the intention of calling here is by far and away the worst option.

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So here's a question for you. Do you think you're not being even a little bit results-oriented in your post-hand analysis on this one?

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maybe, but the more i think about it, the more i think im not being reesults oriented.

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As for preflop, your call is not terrible, but my suspicion is that it's -EV.

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your suspicion is wrong.

-Barron

EDIT: based on your response here id say asking you about poker coaching isn't my most + ev option [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: RESULTS and my surprised comments.
 

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EDIT: based on your response here id say asking you about poker coaching isn't my most + ev option [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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LOL.

What makes you think any of your responses are right?

Re: RESULTS and my surprised comments.
 

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EDIT: based on your response here id say asking you about poker coaching isn't my most + ev option [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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LOL.

What makes you think any of your responses are right?

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not about right. about consistency and logic in approach to the analysis.

-Barron

EDIT: would you care to rebut any of the points i made or clarify the contradictory ones you made?

EDIT: as a preemptive rebuttal to your -ev suspision about T8ss vs. these idiots in the sb:

Pokerroom 10 handed ev stats for T8s:
T8 s -0.13 -0.16 -0.02 -0.07 0.02 0.01 0.04 0.03 0.06 0.08

the bolded is the sb. since you lose -.25 by doing nothing. playing T8s here is +ev.