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if you raise river, you better be calling a 3bet despite the fact you're losing every time.


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no amount of image is worth this extra bet if you know you're losing every time, imo.

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I'd see a showdown here, No since in letting him ditch his hand on the turn.

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I think any plan that involves you folding is not the way to go. I like what astro said about calling down for several reasons (see what he has, don't encourage people to take shots at you, etc.). If you don't feel comfortable with 2a (and there is a lot to be said for not feeling comfortable with 2a) than I think it's a clear #1.

I think 2b and 3 are both bad choices.

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It's become fashionable in this forum to think MORE about the metagame than the game. The game is the game. The metagame is part of it; not the other way around.

I still say 3 is optimal. River 3-bets are not that common.

And sure, I'll call a spade river.

JV

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I prefer to just call down. He bets when the ace of spades comes: the most common situation would be that it helped his hand. If he made just a pair of aces, and that's all he still has on the river, he's unlikely to call a river raise.

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I think the player you describe is very likely to cr semi-bluff an all undercard flop with a flush draw. Since he didn't do that, I'm not putting him on a made flush.

My vote is for raise the turn, call down a 3-bet. Fold the river if a 4th spade comes.

Krishan

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I prefer to just call down. He bets when the ace of spades comes: the most common situation would be that it helped his hand. If he made just a pair of aces, and that's all he still has on the river, he's unlikely to call a river raise.

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I'm also in the call down camp. If this guy weren't capable of making moves I'd find a raise somewhere, but the combination of him having the potential (not super likely) of making a move + not calling a river raise + making myself look like a bit of a passive player is enough for me to like just calling.

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Not that I really miss it. I do miss you guys, though.

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/hug for Nate.

No offense Nate, but calling here is for wussies...not imply that you are one of course. I raise here.

Lawrence

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you invented 3 didnt you?thats my standard, altough I still feel I have to call the river against SH online

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Geez, can't you guys come to a consensus so we lurkers looking to move up have a play? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Personally I like 2a or 3 - I can't fold to a 3-bet on the turn because he may think you are the one with a flush draw if he has an A or he may be semibluffing his draw. A river 3-bet is usually more scary to me.

I haven't played live in forever though, so my thoughts are probably totally biased by crazy internet players. I think I'm going to Resorts tonight; don't suppose you or Troy are going to be there again?