Re: Still wrong-o
 

The ideological basis of the Old Testament is NOT based on forcing OTHERS (non-Jews) to submit to God's law. The Bible does not instruct Jews to force others, by military means if necessary, to live under Jewish law. And the Jews didn't try to do this, either.

The New Testament repudiates the ideas of stoning, etc., and essentially renounces fighting or resisting evil deeds done against one's self.

The ideological basis of the Koran, however, IS based on religious/political/military conquest, and on forcing the entire world to live under Islamic law.

Clear difference.

Re: Multiculturalism. Is it suicide?
 

CNN really warps your minds doesn't it?

I sure hope you guys don't start hating us Canadians next.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

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That would be relevent if there were a series of stonings against women, offings and selling of daughters in the western world all which was supported by a large segment of the bible following religions. However there isn't. There is a growing number of violent attacks originating in the Islamic world against the non Islamic world.

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However, it is relevant in that it should cause you to look for other reasons for terrorism(and there are many obvious reason). Understanding that fundamentalism exploits tensions caused by other factors will lead you to the answer.

Fundamentalists today exploit tensions within our society to push intelligent design, to bash gays etc. These are tensions created by a large secular trend over the past couple of decades. If the christian fundamentalist wants to send young ment to their deaths on a mission and the underlying tensions exist that make this possible, then the fundamentalist will find the quotes in the Bible. Hence the glass house comment is apropos.

Fundamentalists today exploit tensions created in their societies by other factors. We need to understand and work to relieve those tensions. The Bush administration has exacerbated these tensins and thus made us less safe.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

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That would be relevent if there were a series of stonings against women, offings and selling of daughters in the western world all which was supported by a large segment of the bible following religions. However there isn't. There is a growing number of violent attacks originating in the Islamic world against the non Islamic world.

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It is ridiculous to say that Islam is somehow more violent.

What about IRA bombings over the past 100 years in London? (I'm sure that this is somehow different since it's white Catholics doing the bombing to repel an occupying force, eh.)

What about fundamentalists killing doctors that perform abortions?

What about, say, the Matthew Shephard killing? If that had happened in Mecca we'd somehow try to tie it to "Muslim" intolerance of homosexuality.

Religious radicalism is, was, and always will be inherent in any society to more or less the same degree. The only degree to which it varies is within our own outside and inside perceptions of a society. Islam seems more violent because we, the west, choose to see it as more violent and therefore portray it as such.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

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It is ridiculous to say that Islam is somehow more violent.

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Sorry to say, but this shows your deep ignorance of the subject.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

i think if you look at my very last paragraph you will see I don't disagree with you as much as it looks upon first glance.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

Verses out of context can be taken from anything to prove anything.

Until YOU understand that the reason we are under attack is NOT Islam but the use of Islam by extremists you will continue to miss the real reason you are feeling unsafe. You have to understand why the extremists use their extremist interpretation AND why those who practice but dont understand Islam are willing to commit the ultimate sin in Islam (suicide).

The terrorist trends are NOT about Islam. Extremist interpretations are tool used by the extremists. You can accept that it is possible for some to have this view of Islam AND there be no terrorist attack in London like we had last week.

Open the mind, it is refreshing.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

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The ideological basis of the Koran, however, IS based on religious/political/military conquest, and on forcing the entire world to live under Islamic law.

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Funny, then, that every Islamic scholar in the western world would disagree with you. Islam, as much as I've ever heard, says you must only declare war on those who would seek to oppress Islam. Not those who would live in peace as your neighbor.

Your view that Islam is somehow at the heart of the problem is why we will never achieve a lasting peace in the middle east. In essence, intolerance towards Islam creates Islamic intolerance of others and is thereby a self fulfilling prohpecy.

Me? I'm equally intolerant of all religions.

Re: Still wrong-o
 

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It is ridiculous to say that Islam is somehow more violent.

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Sorry to say, but this shows your deep ignorance of the subject.

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In America we back up our assertions with facts. Why do you hate America?

Re: Still wrong-o
 

Yep. Missed that.