Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

If you decribed the situation without so much description, you might get different results. I don't see a problem with this unless he is literally not releasing his chips for more than a second while they are actually touching the table. Here in Vegas there isn't an enforcable line, or a foward motion rule. There are plenty of people that keep chips in their hand and either check with it, release half of them for a call, or enough for a raise.

The difference is your decribing a play that slow downs the game (I'm assuming) and I am describing a type of player that usually plays quickly. Its hard to make a rule that comes down to a time issue (ie 1 second or more), so it has got to be concrete.

Me, personally, I think the less rules the better at a poker table. Why? Things just run smoother if the less the dealer has to intervene, or people aren't getting up b/c they can't awnser their phone at the table, people don't argue about nitpicky details, etc.

If it were me I would just probably take it upon myself to tell him to, "hurry the [censored] up (if he is taking an excessive amount of time) and its not cute to do that everytime you check."

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

At the casino I play at in the 2/5 NL game, what you said is exactly true. Any chips that cross the betting line are going in the pot, unless you declare the amount of the bet beforehand.

I think it's a good rule.

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

This is entirely casino-dependant. In MOST rooms this is a bet. In some rooms they enforce this rule tightly (Mandalay), in others they sometimes enforce, sometimes don't. At Canterbury, this is done all the time, and is not considered a bet.

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

That's laughable, I have seen it plenty though, all depends on the rules of the room.

Definitely use it again him, look weak when strong and strong when weak when he goes to bet, LOL!

I might even give him a subtle middle finger gesture after a while when he starts looking at me. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

>TW<

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

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This is entirely casino-dependant. In MOST rooms this is a bet. In some rooms they enforce this rule tightly (Mandalay), in others they sometimes enforce, sometimes don't.

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I thought of Mandalay Bay immediately upon reading the OP. The very first time I sat down at (IIRC) the $4/$8 game there a few years ago, the dealer warned me that tapping a hand with chips in it would be considered a bet. I wonder if they had some problem with a nit infestation.

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

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In my cardroom, this is a bet and it would be enforced. he is angle shooting and I wanted him murdered! The betting line most times has nothing to do w/ a bet, it is there so people push thier bets and mucked cards far enough out so the dealer can reach them. If the handled chips are brought passed his cards and then are brought down to the felt this is a bet.

prepare the guillotine we gots an angle shooter to excute!

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I find this to be a touch harsh.

To answer the original post, most places I've played won't enforce the "forward motion with chips is a bet" rule unless someone complains. If someone complains, the player is usually warned about it, and it's enforced the next time he does it.

-McGee

Re: Angle shooting while checking?
 

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If there is a betting line, in most casinos, this is a BET. It's certainly very poor ettiquette at the least. In casinos without a betting line, it's usually such a grey area that it's ignored by virtually all dealers, floors, and players.

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Again, it's not a betting line. See other posts here, and review numerous posts from other threads. It's a "casino liability line" or, the line which cards and chips should be pushed past so the dealer doesn't have to reach too far.

The forward motion rule is part of RRP, and therefore followed in most casinos. One of the key points about the forward motion rule is that is must cause action behind the player -- otherwise, it can pretty much be retracted.

You're right, dealers usually ignore it as do players, but this is because it is usually not a big deal, just a bad habit of some players. I'd say most players that do it aren't taking a shot, but some certainly are. And in that case when someone objects, then the floormen (at least those in the Los Angeles area) are aware of the rule and enforce it properly.

When someone uses it as a shot, it's so annoying to me, I get distracted. If you're lucky enough to be on their left, you wait until you have a nice hand, and just say "raise" the moment they start their forward motion.

The floor will agree with you every time in that situation. It was a forward motion, and it caused action behind the player. Next case.

Sparks