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QuadsOverQuads 07-11-2005 11:10 PM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 

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How are any laws enforced?

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(So, I take it that you reeeeeeally don't want to directly answer my question?)

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Why would abortion be different.

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Because the "crime" in this case is the termination of a pregnancy. For the state to determine whether such a crime is being committed, it must, presumably, begin to monitor women's pregnancies (so that it can determine which ones have been illegally terminated). Do you dispute this?


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[censored] 07-11-2005 11:15 PM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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How are any laws enforced?

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(So, I take it that you reeeeeeally don't want to directly answer my question?)

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Why would abortion be different.

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Because the "crime" in this case is the termination of a pregnancy. For the state to determine whether such a crime is being committed, it must, presumably, begin to monitor women's pregnancies (so that it can determine which ones have been illegally terminated). Do you dispute this?


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that would be one way but since it is unlikely that is what the people would want it is mostly just a scare tatic used by people who are afraid of allowing the people to decide

in reality law enforcement would investigate and prosecute those who perform the abortions. this would be done with evidence as in the case of all crimes.

QuadsOverQuads 07-11-2005 11:32 PM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 

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in reality law enforcement would investigate and prosecute those who perform the abortions.

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So, then, you believe that women who hire abortionists should not be punished?


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lehighguy 07-11-2005 11:35 PM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
Accessory to murder.

lastchance 07-11-2005 11:40 PM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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Accessory to murder.

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If abortion was the killing of a child, there's no reason why it shouldn't be murder two in the least (maybe man one in some cases). (damn, I watch too much L&O)

[censored] 07-12-2005 12:03 AM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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in reality law enforcement would investigate and prosecute those who perform the abortions.

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So, then, you believe that women who hire abortionists should not be punished?


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No they should be pursued like other criminals are pursued,

Your belief that this requires the government monitoring pregnacies would like saying in order to have any laws the government must be able to prevent that particular criminal activity 100%

In short we will do the best we can while still adhering to the values we hold dear.

That abortion cannot be entirely prevented is a rather nonsensical approach to deciding if it should be legal.

You are much better off just saying that you value this particular freedom over the life of the unborn.

QuadsOverQuads 07-12-2005 12:31 AM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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Your belief that this requires the government monitoring pregnacies would like saying in order to have any laws the government must be able to prevent that particular criminal activity 100%

In short we will do the best we can while still adhering to the values we hold dear.

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You are much better off just saying that you value this particular freedom over the life of the unborn.


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So, just to clarify:

Which particular freedom is it that you believe supersedes the right to life of the unborn?


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lehighguy 07-12-2005 12:35 AM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
Police would have the same investigatory powers they have to prosecute other crimes. No more no less.

[censored] 07-12-2005 12:36 AM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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Your belief that this requires the government monitoring pregnacies would like saying in order to have any laws the government must be able to prevent that particular criminal activity 100%

In short we will do the best we can while still adhering to the values we hold dear.

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You are much better off just saying that you value this particular freedom over the life of the unborn.


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So, just to clarify:

Which particular freedom is it that you believe supersedes the right to life of the unborn?


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I don't.

Is difficulty is enforcement really how you decide what should be legal and illegal?

non reality -hypothetical if I could simply stop abortions from wishiing it so, yet the desire of some to have abortions remained, would you support them being illegal?

[censored] 07-12-2005 12:37 AM

Re: A simple question : for those who want to outlaw abortion
 
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Police would have the same investigatory powers they have to prosecute other crimes. No more no less.

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Yeah QoQ I really don't understand your confusion here. Please explain your opinion further.


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