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Yeti 07-07-2005 10:59 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
Check and evaluate. Read dependent. Probably call. Unless he pushes. In which case. Panic.

fsuplayer 07-07-2005 11:12 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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Check and evaluate. Read dependent. Probably call. Unless he pushes. In which case. Panic.

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im torn between this line and one of betting 800-1k, although if i bet, I aint folding, so i think i like checking a little better.

i really get the feeling he has like 1010 or btm set though.

tough spot with these stack sizes.

hope it worked out for you.

TheWorstPlayer 07-07-2005 11:16 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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Check and evaluate. Read dependent. Probably call. Unless he pushes. In which case. Panic.

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im torn between this line and one of betting 800-1k, although if i bet, I aint folding, so i think i like checking a little better.

i really get the feeling he has like 1010 or btm set though.

tough spot with these stack sizes.

hope it worked out for you.

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How are you not leaving tons of money on the table against this donktastic opponent by checking? If you're not going to fold to a raise, why not just push it in? This guy already called two pot sized bets, why would you think he won't call another with whatever he liked on the flop and turn? Sure, you can safely fold to a push from this guy if you check, but it just seems like he will very often be checking behind here with a hand that you beat.

Yeti 07-07-2005 11:20 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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i really get the feeling he has like 1010 or btm set though.


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If he has a set surely he raises the turn?

aggie 07-07-2005 11:34 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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im torn between this line and one of betting 800-1k, although if i bet, I aint folding, so i think i like checking a little better.

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SO if you check and villian moves allin (less than pot sized bet), are you folding?

fsuplayer 07-07-2005 11:53 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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im torn between this line and one of betting 800-1k, although if i bet, I aint folding, so i think i like checking a little better.

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SO if you check and villian moves allin (less than pot sized bet), are you folding?

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its real close, hard to tell without knowing hero's table image, how this donk plays, bc 95 hands aint that much, and what his post flop agg. is.

and its pot size for all intents and purposes. like 1620 into a 1700 pot i think.

fsuplayer 07-07-2005 11:55 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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Check and evaluate. Read dependent. Probably call. Unless he pushes. In which case. Panic.

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im torn between this line and one of betting 800-1k, although if i bet, I aint folding, so i think i like checking a little better.

i really get the feeling he has like 1010 or btm set though.

tough spot with these stack sizes.

hope it worked out for you.

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How are you not leaving tons of money on the table against this donktastic opponent by checking? If you're not going to fold to a raise, why not just push it in? This guy already called two pot sized bets, why would you think he won't call another with whatever he liked on the flop and turn? Sure, you can safely fold to a push from this guy if you check, but it just seems like he will very often be checking behind here with a hand that you beat.

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betting fine, and I very well may in this spot against this guy, but like i said in my original post, you cant fold if you bet.

he could easily raise all in with two pair, a set, an overpair, or a bluff.

TheWorstPlayer 07-07-2005 11:56 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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its real close, hard to tell without knowing hero's table image, how this donk plays, bc 95 hands aint that much, and what his post flop agg. is.

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I think he makes it pretty clear the guy is loose/passive when he says
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The enemy in this hand is 55/5 over 800 or so hands.


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No?

fsuplayer 07-07-2005 11:56 AM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
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i really get the feeling he has like 1010 or btm set though.


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If he has a set surely he raises the turn?

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he should, but that doesnt mean anything. who knows whats going through his 55 vpip head.

BadVoodooX 07-07-2005 12:04 PM

Re: 10/20 Fired two barrels and the flush comes.. now what?
 
Bet 600-800 to 800 and give him a chance to call with a worse hand; lower set, 2 pair, over pair, etc. If he pushes, take a look at his turn and river aggressions #'s, if he's over 2.5 on those #'s you have to call here, he bluffs often enough or overplays 2nd best hands enough for you to call here and be right enough of the time with these pot odds & top set from the flop, especially since he's much more likely to have you on a big pair like KK or AA here than 99, he could be moving with a large # of hands you have beat.


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