Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

getting 8-1, I would call a bet on the end. Also, with the range of MP's holdings being so wide, I would bet this river for value.

Being check-raised would be very unpleasant, and my response could depend a lot on what the villain had already seen me do during the session.

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

I am pretty much definitely raising this preflop. I want to play heads up (yes, with JTo) against the 70/14 dude who basically limped in the cutoff.

SB is passive, so it is likely he checks the turn. I can imagine him checking any non top pair hand unless he's improved, but I think he will bet any top pair hand on the turn. You beat most of the top pair hands he could have, and I think him checking the turn is too likely, so I like raising the flop.

Turn is a must bet. It would suck if he check raised you there, and it would be a fold, imo.

River is also a bet if he checks to you, but it is pretty close. He probably would have raised a T on the flop or an A on the turn, so you're basically betting and hoping he has called you down with a 2 or a low pocket pair (which is decently likely).

If he check raises, I don't see how it can be a bluff, so I'd fold. As you said, he hasn't been tricky postflop thus far.

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

Whether to raise or call the flop depends on the aggressiveness of SB. Since he is typical passive, I'd probably raise the flop to extract value while I can.

The river is interesting ; I can't really think of many hands he would bet that we beat. He could have a 6, an ace, maybe JJ. Or he could be betting 77-99 trying to scare you with the board pairing. Is he getting tricky with a worse hand more than 10% of the time? Your read would suggest no, so I would fold the river.

If he checked, he would have to have pretty awful river calling standards for me to bet.

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

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Hey Spidey.

I don't hate the limp necessarily, (because you're on the button; if you were in the cut-off seat it would probably be a different story), but I also wouldn't hate raising.

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i think its close. my "don't have great folding equity against him" was my justification for calling since I don't have much showdown value if I take a free street somewhere UI.

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If this guy plays 70% of his hands I'm not checking behind fearing he has an Ace

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if the river wasn't the 6, its an easy value bet. i thought the river 6 and turn Ace made for a situation where 2x may be less likely to call. 6x may check-raise, etc.. which is why I don't like betting unless I feel <semi> confident in my response to a check-raise. Auto-paying off the wrong opponent kills the value in the bet. Auto-folding could be a huge mistake.

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if he keeps his aggression up post-flop there's a good chance he would have bet the flop with middle pair, or check-raised you on the turn with an Ace.

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he's semi passive postflop. i didn't have a solid read on his aggro'ness postflop, but it hadn't stood out as something to be wary of.

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

value bizzle this shizzle, for rizzle.

I reply to any questions of "what hands call" with

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MP is about 70/14 PF. I haven't had great folding equity postflop against him thus far

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

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EDIT: absolutely call if he bets

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

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MP is about 70/14 PF

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i will find a raise here 80% of the time preflop

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i had poor folding equity, so i limped. its close.

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wait until turn situation? does my opponent bet most turn cards?

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no i like the raise here.

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easy flop raise me thinks. my OP made it sound closer than it was b/c I wanted people to think about it.

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scare card..

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more scary for the villain, i promise.

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yep, gotta bet turn, but I think it has an effect on the river to some extent.

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Do I call a bet?

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yes

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of course! i should drag this 1 in 9 times.

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Do I bet if checked to?

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yes

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response to a check-raise?

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He hasn't been too tricky postflop, tho the sample has been small this session

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makes me torn, but i am a big payoff station so i usually call down.

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i think the toughest choice of the hand. i think i might fold if this was my last hand at the table and i might call if i wanted a better read at the beginning of a long session.

results later.

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

I think this is a fairly easy hand to play. Limping PF is normal, raising is okay depending on the game. I limp here.

Raising the flop is far superior to waiting. Waiting is bad. All this talk these days on the forum about waiting for the turn...much of it is misguided. There are too many overcards that can come on the turn that would make you no longer like your hand, so you have to raise for value now. You don't gain significant equity if a "blank" comes on the turn. Plus, raising the flop gains information, which is what I like most about it in many situations.

Of course bet the turn, folding to a raise (unless a crazy player...).

Bet the river if checked to, call if bet into.

I think what I just said is Isura's line, but I also think it's standard.

M

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

Raise preflop.

Flop is fine.

Turn is good.

Call 1 on the river. Check behind if checked to.

Krishan

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

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worse hands won't necessarily call (2x, Tx)
some better hands will call (QT, KT)


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Board paired.

Krishan

Re: JTo on the button 6max
 

I think betting if checked to is really necessary. 2x, Tx, 33, 44, 55, 77, 88, 99 call, and you can easily fold to a raise. This is 1/2. 2x and Tx WONT fold, ever, and all the above pocket pairs are passive-possible.

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