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goodguy_1 05-09-2005 01:29 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
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Anyone like this?


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Danenania 05-09-2005 01:34 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
Pf is pretty standard imo. I don't mind the flop call since I think you'll get to see a free river quite often when he has overs, but check/calling the turn seems bad.
Based on his AF I would expect him to check behind overcards and bet AA-99, so why check/call the turn? You just allow him a free card when behind and a chance to bet when he has you drawing to 2 outs. I would either bet/fold or check/fold the turn, depending on a more specific read. I lean towards check/fold, betting a non-A river if he checks behind.

kurosh 05-09-2005 01:39 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
On turn:

You CR
:He has overpair and call/calls or call/raises and you fold.
-3BB
:He has overpair and 3-bets. You fold.
-2BB
:He has overs, calls turn and folds river.
+2BB
:He has overs, calls turn and calls river with A-high. Not very likely.
+3BB

My line:
:He has an overpair and either calls or raises and I fold.
-2BB
:He calls with A-high. This will happen a lot.
+2BB
:He folds his A-high.
+1BB

Weight some of those percentages and I think you'll find my line slightly better.

Noodles 05-09-2005 01:42 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
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PF, I'm getting 5:1 with a small chance of being raised

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is that enough with 47s??

kurosh 05-09-2005 01:44 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
I'll play nearly any two suited in this position.

kurosh 05-09-2005 01:45 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
Hmm, yeah. I think betting the turn might be better but it really sucks getting bluff raised by some idiot with overs. I need to ponder this some more.

billyjex 05-09-2005 01:53 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
i don't mind PF at all. but the flop call just sucks. well, it doesn't really suck if we don't put him on a pair but I just can't see it being profitable in the long run.

from turn on I like how you played it. I think you'll get the most of out A high this way.

kurosh 05-09-2005 01:54 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
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i don't mind PF at all. but the flop call just sucks. well, it doesn't really suck if we don't put him on a pair but I just can't see it being profitable in the long run.

from turn on I like how you played it. I think you'll get the most of out A high this way.

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After some calculations, he needs to have an overpair less than about 37% of the time for this to be EV neutral. I think I have that?

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wheelz 05-09-2005 01:56 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
This is probably the issue I ponder the most when playing these days: OOP on the turn, whether to risk giving free cards or getting bluff raised. It's tough.

Danenania 05-09-2005 01:58 PM

Re: I\'m a bit loose
 
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Hmm, yeah. I think betting the turn might be better but it really sucks getting bluff raised by some idiot with overs. I need to ponder this some more.

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Doesn't seem like he is the type of idiot to bluff raise you based on his numbers. In fact the reason I think checking planning to fold to a turn bet and bet a non-A river if he checks behind might be the best play is because I think this guy often won't raise you even with AA if you bet the turn. It would take some number crunching to really settle it.


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