Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

I'm not sure what Daniel did to piss in everyone's Wheaties but it seems everyone is busting this guy's chops because he's . . . trying to capitalize on his celebrity. One guy is slamming him because his stopping and saying hello to the random tourists who see in him in Vegas seems too politician-like. WTF?

If you ask a guy who has a paid spokesman for an online poker site what online poker sites they should check out . . . duh! He's gonna suggest the site cutting him big fat checks. If you ask a guy about casinos in Vegas and the guy has just signed on to play exclusively at a particular casino . . . duh! He's gonna mention the casino. You're also aware that the entire reason he was sloted for that show was so he could promote his various business ventures, right? Do you also get amazed when people go on Leno and Letterman only when they have a new film coming out?

Also, I think "selling out" should be defined here. Selling out is when you would do something you wouldn't normally do. It's when put your name on products you don't believe in. It's when you start viewing your fans as consumers. IMHO, I don't think he's gone to that stage quite yet. It seems most of the people pissed at Daniel are mad that Daniel doesn't happen to fit their mold of what a celebrity should be. Sorry. That's life.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

Your point is well taken. There are 2 significant differences though between Tiger/MJ and Daniel/poker pro.

One is that Tiger/MJ are either contracted or stand an extremely good chance of being paid on a regular basis. The other is that luck plays much lesser a role in how or when they'll be paid. It's good for a laugh, but there really is no comparison between a star in their field like Tiger and Daniel. Commercial or otherwise.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

[ QUOTE ]
You would do the same in his shoes.

-SmileyEH

[/ QUOTE ]

That rationale is used for anything up to and including murder.

I don't buy it.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
What does it say when the top players in the world are looking to generate income away from the table?

[/ QUOTE ]

lol. What does it say? What does it say when Tiger Woods tries to generate income away from the golf course? What does it say when Michael Jordan tries to generate income awsy from the court? Etc.

[/ QUOTE ]

When a guy as preposterously rich as Michael Jordan lets Nike pay him for his name but sets no conditions, so Nike happily employs Indonesian children at near-starvation wages? It says a lot.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not sure what Daniel did to piss in everyone's Wheaties but it seems everyone is busting this guy's chops because he's . . . trying to capitalize on his celebrity. One guy is slamming him because his stopping and saying hello to the random tourists who see in him in Vegas seems too politician-like. WTF?

If you ask a guy who has a paid spokesman for an online poker site what online poker sites they should check out . . . duh! He's gonna suggest the site cutting him big fat checks. If you ask a guy about casinos in Vegas and the guy has just signed on to play exclusively at a particular casino . . . duh! He's gonna mention the casino. You're also aware that the entire reason he was sloted for that show was so he could promote his various business ventures, right? Do you also get amazed when people go on Leno and Letterman only when they have a new film coming out?

Also, I think "selling out" should be defined here. Selling out is when you would do something you wouldn't normally do. It's when put your name on products you don't believe in. It's when you start viewing your fans as consumers. IMHO, I don't think he's gone to that stage quite yet. It seems most of the people pissed at Daniel are mad that Daniel doesn't happen to fit their mold of what a celebrity should be. Sorry. That's life.

[/ QUOTE ]

The OP's post described very clearly exactly what you define as selling out.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

I am a big fan of Daniel because he is one of the nicer guys playing. But i understand what your saying. Like he says though he is set for life and now is capitalizing on the oppurtunities. You still got to believe he will play his usual big cash games at other casinos.

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

[ QUOTE ]

But what bothered me even more was when a person called in a question about where would be a good place to play on the internet, what places did Dan mention?.

ONLY ONE!..POKER MOUNTAIN!.

He could have said there are many choices and mentioned briefly Party, Pokerstars, and Paradise, then closed by saying how "great" Poker Mountain is...(lying of course), but he gave no such info to the caller.


[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah - cause wherever you work I'm sure you volunteer positive information about the competition.

This isn't just business sense, it's common sense.

When I had my first child, I was dumb enough to ask my family practice doctor for a good pediatrition. The response

" we are family practice, we take all ages".

DUH!

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

I have no problem with Dan or anyone making money or a good living. He can be the official spokesman for Wynn, Wheaties, Nike..whatever. I don't consider this selling out. You know when you see a famous icon on a commercial or they are advertising, they are being paid to recommend this. Good for them, I would probably do the same.

But when a person who is not knowledgeable in a subject, asks of you, (an knowledgeable pro), where should I go or what should I look at, and he recommends things that are

1. Where he has a financial interest/gain in. and dosen't tell you this or

2. Knowingly not telling you the best information and instead point you to where he stands to gain financially.

This is wrong. imho. This I would not do.

The Wynn MAY become the become the best or one of the best places to play poker in LV one day, but right now?

Poker Mountain MAY become the best or one of the best places to play poker online, but right now it is not.
Dan knows this.

Either the Score should have had a disclaimer at the beginning of his interview or Dan should have been wearing a "Play at Poker Mountain" t-shirt with a "Wynn Casino LV" baseball cap.

I don't hate Dan N., I am just disappointed, thats all.

regards

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

But what bothered me even more was when a person called in a question about where would be a good place to play on the internet, what places did Dan mention?.

ONLY ONE!..POKER MOUNTAIN!.

He could have said there are many choices and mentioned briefly Party, Pokerstars, and Paradise, then closed by saying how "great" Poker Mountain is...(lying of course), but he gave no such info to the caller.


[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah - cause wherever you work I'm sure you volunteer positive information about the competition.

This isn't just business sense, it's common sense.

When I had my first child, I was dumb enough to ask my family practice doctor for a good pediatrition. The response

" we are family practice, we take all ages".

DUH!

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL... Actually I do. I let the buyers know all positive and negative info about my product and others. For my business you have to know whether your product stands against the competition, you will be discussing the competitors product vs yours with the buyers. (they buyers know as well) The result has been surprising good, our buyers know this of us. Of course I will never make the most money, but sales are always consistent, many of our competitors would rather try to pull one over the buyers, or hold out for more. eh... whatever makes you happy I guess. to each their own.

regards

Re: Daniel Negreanu is now 1st a businessman, 2nd a poker player
 

People don't go on talk shows just to hang out, they go to PROMOTE something.

Would Bill Gates go on a talk show and say that Macintosh is better than Windows for movie editing? Of course not. He'd be wrong, but why would he endorse the competition's products?

Daniel is capitalizing on the fact that he's a minor celebrity now, and good for him. He doesn't owe anybody anything. And it wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the phone calls were staged.