Two Plus Two Older Archives - Everyone folds, what is the BB's range of hands?

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Bunching doesn't matter because people don't play according to charts. People play T4s and 65 UTG. You're deceiving yourself by using this information.

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It's up to the user to decide if you think any adjustments are called for. It is still a small effect compared to the difference in the range of hands you put a TP vs. a LA raiser on.

Notice, incidentally, that the looser the table is, the *stronger* the effect is (but the less frequently the table will fold around to a steal situation). Tight players will fold AT and 72 alike, and leave lots of every rank in the deck. Someone who plays any face card will fold rarely, but *if* he folds you *know* that two spot cards have been folded.

If you have someone at your table who plays any two cards, well, it's a non-question, because it won't ever BE folded around.

You'll notice in my experiment that the effect on aces is quite large compared on other ranks. In real life I see people playing a lot more suited kings and queens than the charts say to.

I reran the test with two people at the table who would play any suited king or queen. The effect: A: 18.5% K: 16.8% Q: 15.9%; chance of being suited, 23.7%. And if in addition the cutoff will play any king, suited or not: A: 18.4% K: 17.3% Q: 15.8%.

In other words, no one player at the table can push these percentages by more than 0.5% no matter how weird his starting hand selection is. The impact of how many ace-rag and king-rag hands people play can be quite significant. The impact of other kinds of looseness like playing suited connectors out of position is smaller, since it is spread out over several ranks instead of concentrated somewhere obvious.