Re: Is Blackjack beatable?
 

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it is impossible to count online, because there is no way to tell when a shuffle occurs.


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actually some casinos eg casino del rio have live webcam blackjack which is not only easy to count due to the fact that you can make notes use logging programs etc. but also can't kick you out for switching your bets as easily just a thought.

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That sounds too good to be true. What's the catch? Lousy rules?

eastbay

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8 decks, 50% penetration, and about 30 hands (if that) per hour.

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I was just looking into this. Their rules are "Las Vegas strip" with the following exceptions:

1. No split
2. Only one card is drawn to split aces
3. Dealer will not check for BJ in any case. (?)
4. If player doubles and dealer draws A, dealer gets blackjack, player loses both bets.

Will someone clue me in as to the effect of these rule changes? I have only the most cursory knowledge of BJ.

eastbay

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it is impossible to count online, because there is no way to tell when a shuffle occurs.


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actually some casinos eg casino del rio have live webcam blackjack which is not only easy to count due to the fact that you can make notes use logging programs etc. but also can't kick you out for switching your bets as easily just a thought.

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That sounds too good to be true. What's the catch? Lousy rules?

eastbay

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8 decks, 50% penetration, and about 30 hands (if that) per hour.

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Any estimates of EV per hand with optimal computer play under these conditions?

eastbay

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I was just looking into this. Their rules are "Las Vegas strip" with the following exceptions:

1. No split
2. Only one card is drawn to split aces
3. Dealer will not check for BJ in any case. (?)
4. If player doubles and dealer draws A, dealer gets blackjack, player loses both bets.

Will someone clue me in as to the effect of these rule changes? I have only the most cursory knowledge of BJ.

eastbay

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1. I assume they mean "no resplit": -.01%
2. This is standard
3 & 4. This is the "European no hole card rule": -.11% (this basically screws the player in hands where he decides to split/double and then finds he was "drawing dead" to a BJ. Normally on an A showing, dealer checks right away for BJ and the hand is over if he has it).

Re: Is Blackjack beatable?
 

the casinos edge come from the fact that if you and the dealer both bust, you loose.

Re: Is Blackjack beatable?
 

Eight decks with 50% penetration is not worth playing, anyway. The European No Hole card increases the house edge and necessitates some strategy changes. You still split aces against a dealer ten. Except for that one exception, you should not split or double against a dealer ace or ten. But again, an eight deck game with 50% penetration isn't worth bothering with anyway.

Re: Is Blackjack beatable?
 

Nice post.

What I dont understand is how can they kick you out for having a good memory? Its not like you're breaking any rules or cheating?

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What I dont understand is how can they kick you out for having a good memory? Its not like you're breaking any rules or cheating?

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Because they're a business and they can kick out anyone they want for any reason.

Re: Is Blackjack beatable?
 

Casino Del Rio stole half of my money back in '03. They voided my bonus well after I met wagering requirements (let me cash out the deposit). They did this to other players during that time also. Some of us eventually got paid (I got half the bonus 6-7 months later). This was not because of whoring (first playtech I had hit up).

Sounds like they have live dealers now. I wouldn't be surprised me they kicked you out for card counting and at least confiscated your winnings. Your betting patterns would be very easy to track.