Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

TMFS9:

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I think this is a little on the weak tight side this is a blind stealing/blind defense situation with a loose somewhat aggressive villan

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You are probably right....but the villain did cap this preflop, out of position, and he isn't that aggressive. So I would be more likely to give him credit for a real hand here and probably played this with the call call call line(would raise the river hitting my 2-pair--which is probably inconsistent)

If there was some history or if he was particularly aggressive HU or in steal situations, then that is another thing...

--Rico

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

Am I the only one that thinks this river raise is bad. The only hand a reasonable player could have is KQ or maybe KJ that you beat and that will pay it off, and you have to be ahead >2/3 of the time when called for it to be profitable as all hands that beat you will likely threebet. You are probibly ahead at most 50% of the time given the way the action has gone to this point.

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

I've seen some pretty marginal hands capped preflop in these blind stealing situations from less than maniacal opponents. If you were villan would you cap call down TT,99,AJs, all hands for a reasonable opponent to cap preflop with much less a person with 50 something vpip. Now after the flop 3 bet I would start giving him credit for a decent hand.

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

I agree too, that being said, I'd still raise that river.

Agree or disagree?

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

Most players, don't make the proper adjustments to "blind battles" when he caps preflop, I think he more likely than not has something serious.

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

I agree that most people don't adjust well to blind v. blind hands, but I don't think it's on the passive side. There are plenty of people that get fucktardedly aggressive with J4s kinda hands.

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

I just don't see that as the norm. I see people open completing in sb, or open limping on the button b/c they don't even know about stealing. But sure, there are fucktards..

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

I play it the same.

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

This hand happened during a sweat hour with JoeTall.

Joe said that this should have been just called... I debated w/ him a little and raised anyway. He referred to it as a "win 1, lose 2" situation. One of the biggest streets I seem to have issues with is the river. I either don't value bet it, or I value bet in the wrong situations. Sometimes, I do get it right. It's about learning.

Ok... Let's look at the villain here. He's LA-A. With his aggression, he could have anything. Capping pf.. I dunno... he could be doing this with garbage in order to steal later in the hand. I know I've done it w/ hands like KTo.

I'm behind to a lot of hands here.... AA (1 combination), KK (3 combinations), AK (6 combinations), QQ (1 combination), JT (16 combinations), 88 (3 combinations), 99 (3 combinations)... (any 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s).

I would eliminate hands like KK, QQ, and 88. I figure hands like this would more likely be played by the villain harder on the turn than the flop.

I would eliminate any 2 clubs edit due to the flop action.

So, I'm roughly behind to about 26 hands. What can he be playing that I beat?

KQ (6 combinations), JJ (6 combinations), A8s (3 combinations), KTs (2 combinations), KTo (eh... maybe... 9 combinations), KJs (2 combinations), KJo (9 combinations), TT (6 combinations)

Add in that he's not too bright... maybe more... maybe less.

So, maybe 43-50 combinations.

I raised based on the idea that this was a battle of the blinds and he would call a raise with any piece of the board, or a PP. And based on his stats, I felt he overplayed a lot of hands and I was ahead more than 50% of the time here.

The 3-bet on the flop is scary. But wouldn't he do that with many of the hands above that I beat on the river?

Re: AQo on BB to a SB raise (First in) - River Play
 

On this one, given the flop action, I just call the river. His flop 3-bet is pretty effin' strong.