Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

No

If you are playing micro-limits and you are folding 22 UTG, either A) you do not understand how good and easy this hand is or B) you are practicing lousy table selection.

So, I repeat: yes.

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

I thought you multitabled 3/6....

Easy fold. Right?

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

I thought you multitabled 3/6.... Easy fold. Right?

No.

Let's say that you ranked the quality of all tables on a scale from 1-100. The made-up threshold at which limping 22 UTG is +EV is 65. Your average Party 3/6 table (of all the tables going at one time) is about a 60, give or take blah blah blah. Your average Party .5/1 table is an 85, and your average Party 1/2 10-max table is about a 75.

Now, understand that that is counting every shitty table that you should leave post-haste. With careful table selection, you can find 3/6 tables where limping 22 UTG is +EV, but it takes extraordinarily bad table selection (ala, I'm sitting in the 2+2 private game) to find a Party micro table where it isn't +EV.

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

Yeah, because at the 2+2 private table, players typically straddle when UTG. You would then re-raise with 2+2 at UTG+1 to isolate the straddle. I don't bother to import those hands into PT as play is generally just silly.

Vern

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

Isn't this a no-brainer? You are ahead of all but 12 hands. Plus, it's simple to get away from if you miss.

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

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Isn't this a no-brainer? You are ahead of all but 12 hands. Plus, it's simple to get away from if you miss.

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if its simple to get away from when you miss.. then are you really ahead of an agressive AK, etc?

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

it's not a no-brainer, and you're not really "ahead" of all but 12 hands You've only got a small edge against any unpaired overcards.

Anyhoo, I made this thread because limping small pairs in soft games seems to scare some people. And I wanted to establish that that is dumb.

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

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I thought you multitabled 3/6.... Easy fold. Right?

No.

Let's say that you ranked the quality of all tables on a scale from 1-100. The made-up threshold at which limping 22 UTG is +EV is 65. Your average Party 3/6 table (of all the tables going at one time) is about a 60, give or take blah blah blah. Your average Party .5/1 table is an 85, and your average Party 1/2 10-max table is about a 75.

Now, understand that that is counting every shitty table that you should leave post-haste. With careful table selection, you can find 3/6 tables where limping 22 UTG is +EV, but it takes extraordinarily bad table selection (ala, I'm sitting in the 2+2 private game) to find a Party micro table where it isn't +EV.

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So this leads to the question I've wanted to ask for a long time (well I've only been playing for 2 months so its not that long). I play 1/2 mostly at Party Poker. How do you select a proper table?

My original technique was to sort the tables by average pot size and get on the waiting list for the top 3-4. I can tell you now that that's not it. Now I click hide full tables, sort by average pot, and open (but do not join) the 4 in about the middle of the list (without scrolling down). I watch each one looking for 5+ people seeing the flop for at least 2 hands out of 3 or 4. If a table doesn't pass this check I close it and open the next one down. When I have 2 or 3 that pass this check I join the waiting list for each of them, sitting at the first table offered.

BTW, I almost always limp in UTG with 22.

Bill

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

Bison you seem to think Party is the only Poker site when blindly saying always limp.

Take that 22 UTG over to Stars, Absolute, or TGC and see how +EV it is limping with small pairs in EP on tables that have less then 30% to the flop. Maybe it is...

Re: Should I limp 22 UTG?
 

How about a thread on playing AK after missing the flop