Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

It's not even about the money really, it's about losing. There is a saying, you are only as good as your last session, well as we speak I busted out of a NL tournament on pstars, I'd say as far as poker is concerned, I suck pretty bad right now. I think I need to start to look at my play and see what I am doing wrong, and also maybe go over some of the basics again. I have been running bad, but I can't say that at least 20% of that has been a negative mindset.
I know everyone hits a rough patch, I just hope I can come away from this losing streak a little better prepared for the next time it happens...

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

You need to get a little perspective here.

You had a big draw that didn't get there, you had lots of outs that didn't show and you go on tilt because a calling station wouldn't lay down the winner.

My read is that you haven't come to grips with the fact that poker is gambling. Just because you read books and study, doesn't mean you deserve to win.

The odds are what they are and they are going to remain the same unless the game is altered or they add more cards to the deck.

When you flop a nut flush draw it gets there roughly one time out of three. Therefore if you continue to think in this manner, you are going to tilt, two times out of three and the fish will feast on your carcass.

If a hand like this puts you on tilt, you are screwed before you start. I would venture to say it will be impossible for you to be a long term winner player until you get the perspective you need.

95% of all poker players are long term losers, so don't think this is an easy task. Every poker player struggles with controling their emotions.

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

Well... your line on this play makes it look like you have an overpair, AK, or a club draw. Maybe he put you on two of those hands and called thinking his three was good. I've called down draws before with A high and won. (Okay... once, but she was a terrible player and I put her on KQ when she didn't cap the betting preflop.)

Here's the thing I notice most about your hand here. I like my 15-outters too! But you have to keep in mind that when you have a hand like that you are getting paid by every bet that calls you since you have the best of it (until the river).

You mention in this thread that you should win this pot two out of three times... it's a lot closer to one out of three... which shouldn't discourage you from playing it the way you did.

Also, you mention the pot size as being $300+... I'm not going to count it down, but I think you only lost $60+ on this one. Not $300+. Keep your eye on the ball. None of the money in the pot is yours until you win it.

Why try to bluff at a guy you say is clueless? You think he'll fold now? The pot's too big and he has too much in it. Finesse doesn't work here. When I have a big winning night of low-limit... it's also one of the most routine and boring sessions I'll play. I think you should check the turn here to be honest.

On an etiquette point... somebody mentioned that you were behind on the flop and you disputed it... a pair of threes is ahead of ace high. You were behind on the flop. That's a fact.

SR

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

FWIW... if he had 93 he flopped two pair. If he had T3 he turned two pair.

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

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95% of all poker players are long term losers, so don't think this is an easy task. Every poker player struggles with controling their emotions.

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Good post about perspective/expectation. I am curious as to where you get the 95% figure?

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

I flopped the nut flush with two overcards, I am favored to win over a pair of threes, if you do not believe me go to twodimes.net or cardplayer.com. He didn't have two pair, he had T3s and the final board was 9362Q, I thought the turn was the ten, but I know he didnt have two pair, so for the sake of argument I'll make it a deuce (whatever it was it neither helped my hand or his). Anyways if someone thinks he actually thought about what I had, the only hand I might play how I did with all the action is AK, but I'd also play AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, KQs, AQ, QJs, Ax club draw like that as well. I could go to pokerstove and do a range of hands to show how badly behind he was, but I don't need to do that because I dont think he put me on a hand. He was a calling station who knew that he had a pair of 3's and that I might be bluffing. I doubt he thought beyond that. Since he called the turn with his pair of 3's he has to call the river given how big the pot is. Even beyond this, if I am bluffing, he is no better than 3:1, although it's probably much worse than that (as was the case since he was actually BEHIND on the flop). It's not something I would ever do, in fact I would throw T3s away if I had the kill and it was another $8 to me, I would never voluntarily call a raise with T3s. I know this guy who I played against was a losing player, anytime I see someone call me down like this I know he doesn't think anything through. If he was there to gamble and throw his money away, than I guess he succeeded there. And I believe its more like 90% of players are losing players, not 95%, just my two cents.

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

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If he was there to gamble and throw his money away, than I guess he succeeded there.

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exactly... and you should learn to love him for it, not get angry about it.

FWIW, assuming I sneezed and accidently knocked the $16 in pre-flop, I think I'd play the villian's hand the same way.

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FWIW, assuming I sneezed and accidently knocked the $16 in pre-flop, I think I'd play the villian's hand the same way.

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I think it's too risky, I'm not raising every hand preflop. Sure if I'm a maniac or just a horribly bad player, I might call the person down. You play with me for an hour, you'd see I'm neither. If I had to rate myself, I'd say I'm above average (if I didn't tilt, I'd say I was a good player). But I'm glad my raises/bets got no respect, I'm just mad about the result, because had it gone the other way, I'd want as much action as possible once I hit my hand. And FWIW, this guy was actually getting angry when he first sat down, because I raised preflop before with AK, to have him bet a rag flop, I called since there was 10.5 bets in the pot and I felt I had 6 clean outs (7:1 to improve). A jack hit the turn, I checked, he checked, river was a king, I bet he called, saying he KNEW I had AK, well if he KNEW that with 100% certainty he should have folded the river. I'm sure he KNEW I had AK again, only to find out I didn't.

Re: The hand that put me on tilt, (need some advice)
 

lil' has taken care of this thread.