Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

Question, would you ever play a flush draw this way? If not I don't like your line. It's unlikely he's going to check the turn, so you gain nothing by leading out, if fact you might get him to fold a hand that he would’ve gone all the way with.

Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

My guess would be that he's trying to get the semi-short stacked player to push with 2 pair. I think the flop call and the turn underbet accompish this better than a flop lead reraise.

*RESULTS*
 

thanks for the responses.

after two full roundsd the guy hadnt played a hand or raised pf ; he seemed tighter and unremarkable.

so when he raised on the flop, I didnt put him on any kind of draw unless it was something nasty.

I was thinking that if I raised the pot, he might fold a lower two pair or AJ type hand.

after looking back, I dont really like the play, as a lot of cards can kill my action/beat me. So I need to get in more money while I am def. ahead.

despite my ugly play, it ended well that time.

he called, and then called my all in on a blank river with top two pair.

the result just shows again why I should reraise this out of position, as a club or non Q broadway would have killed my action.

thanks for the responses guys,

fsuplayer

Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

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My guess would be that he's trying to get the semi-short stacked player to push with 2 pair. I think the flop call and the turn underbet accompish this better than a flop lead reraise.

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nah, this happens very rarely in a real game.

When to Stop And Go?
 

After thinking about this hand and reading the responses I wonder what would be the point of the stop-and-go play at all? Are there some general rules that outline when you should think about using the play?

The only reason I can really think of is to make sure a flush card doesn't come on the turn. This reduces the odds of loosing the hand if re-raised all-in on the flop. If you use this play and a flush card comes on the turn you can still let the hand go whereas a blank allows you to use the stop-and-go play.

There is the obvious risk the board pairing up on the turn if you just call, but maybe that is acceptable over re-raising the flop and having some sort of flush+ draw which could have around 50% chance to win the hand re-raise you all-in and draw both cards.

Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

I love the stop and go move semi-short stacked in a tourney, and in certain situations in a ring game, but I dont see the benefit here? I would appreciate any feed back.

Here is my view.

On the flop, what hands will LP player raise with?
2 pair, AK, AJ - yes, will want to find out if he is drawing against a straight
KcQc, QcJc,Kxc - yes, great spot to try to buy a free card for the draw

KJo - trying to chase off flush draw

Now the problem is you dont know what you are up against. I think you can rule out KcJc, as a smart player would call with that hand.

So you have a pot of 135$ with 55$ to call. If you try the stop and go, I assume you are trying to limit your losses if the flush hits or the board pairs.

So if any of 15 cards hit, you wont bet into the turn, and an observant player will steal the hand. If a blank hits, a good player will give up his draw to a decent bet.

So EV = (15/45) * -55 + (30/45) * 135 = $ 20 (apx)
- I realize I ignored a split and other details

Now, if you reraise preflop, lets say that he will only call with a nut flush draw or QJc, You will be a favorite

So if you push, even if you are certain (ignoring folding equity) that he holds KcQc, and will call, you get an EV of

.577 * 995$ = 574$ - 460 (bet) = 115$

Include the large folding equity on the 190$ pot, I think reraising has to be the play here.

The main reasons I avoid this play are:
-Your opponent is unlikely to put you on a draw calling large raises out of position (why this is considered a stop and go instead of a slow play, I will never know)

-a blank on 4th street will be enough to close the betting on most drawing hands, why not get the money in when you think they will call. Sure, you will see more variance, but its all about the long run....right?

Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

Also, would appreciate if someone could point to to a post that better describes the benefits of the 'stop and go'. I only know for the situation, where you do not want a call and if the next card misses, you that your oponent will fold, whereas they would have called with 2 to come (or pre-flop).

Also, can someone explain "block-betting"?

Re: Stop-N-Go with the Nuts
 

I only like it if you type in "That's my money card!"