Re: A couple more $100/200 hands
 

hand 1, i like.
i especially agree w/ getting sick b4 u pay off thaqt river, but eff it. im calling.

hand 2, i like your line and prob play the same in a ring game if u raised from EP because raising the turn is gonna get him off alot of hands that u dont want him folding but SH w/ u opening on button there is no effing way he is folding any pair. no chance. he will call down, so i would raise turn.
just calling turn risks him checkcalling river w/ his 8/5 and if the river is the effing Kh are you still gonna raise it?

Re: A couple more $100/200 hands
 

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do you think a turn fold to the cap is terrible?

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Against unknown yes.

Re: A couple more $100/200 hands
 

Hand 1: I get myself into these spots pretty often and it really sucks. I will tell you from a lot of experience that when you get 4-bet on the turn like this it's real bad for you 95% of the time. Give serious consideration to mucking the river when you don't improve.(I also don't think the turn 3-bet is automatic and think bet/call is a fine line)

Hand 2: Me likes. You get raised you puke a little and call.

Results and thoughts
 

I think it's nice this thread picked up, and especially interesting to see all the different opinions on the AJ hand. I guess it's {3bet 50, call 50, fold 0} when I am raised on the turn, {5bet 1, call 90, fold 9) when I am 4-bet and {0, 80, 20} after I check the river. Did I get that right Eric? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Myself, I am torn between 3-betting (and not ALWAYS paying off a 4bet and a riverbet, but very frequently) and a move I use very rarely these days, calling the turn raise and donk betting the river. My hand on the turn here feels too big in this spot to just call the turn raise and have the river checked down behind me pretty often (almost everytime I am ahead I would guess).

Anyway, opponent showed me A-9o for the top two pair, so I was drawing to 12 outs, so in hindsight the turn action wasn't *disasterous* for me, given that I have to put in at least two bets there anyway.

In hand two, I think my opponent actually puked a bit, at least he took a little while before he called, and my hand was good.

lars

Re: Results and thoughts
 

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I think it's nice this thread picked up, and especially interesting to see all the different opinions on the AJ hand. I guess it's {3bet 50, call 50, fold 0} when I am raised on the turn, {5bet 1, call 90, fold 9) when I am 4-bet and {0, 80, 20} after I check the river. Did I get that right Eric?

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I haven't read the whole thread, just this paragraph actually, but my initial guess is: no, probably not right.

Look, for these mixed strategies with individual hands to mean anything, they have to be placed in the context of an overall strategy. That is, you have to do the following:

1. look at your entire hand range that you could hold given the action
2. decide what percentage of that range you want to fold, call, and raise, given the size of the pot
3. break out the range according to these percentages
4. mix them around a bit to make your play in each category less clearly define your hand for your opponent


I'm still working out the details of how each of these steps is best accomplished, but anything where you just assert that it's FCR {15, 50, 35} or whatever probably doesn't make much sense.

In game theory, everything needs to be placed into the context of your overall strategy.

I apologize if you did in fact do all this in this thread. If you did, kudos.

good luck.
Eric