Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

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that preflop call is not a good play... actually, it is pretty bad.

flop, push... at least raise something... draws everywhere.
turn, push. draws everywhere.

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What about the 5-10 rule? Isn't he within the "rules" descretion area?

Is this 5-10 NL? Is this really considered a draw heavy flop with a big PF raiser at 5-10, what are you worried about besides two diamonds?

-TripKings

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wow. im not scared of being outdrawn... how incredibly weak would that be?
i dont want a bad card to come that will prevent KK from giving me all his chips.

also, the 5-10 rule only applies for situations w/ 2 very novice players.

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

FV,

I now understand what you meant. I have a lot to learn. Thank you.

-TripKings

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Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

This hand and your fullhouse hand. RAISE THE FLOP.
Preflop, if you are going to play 88 only for set value (and you should against solid Villains) its a fold with that stack. Small pair need about 1-10 / 1-11 (anybody know exactly ?) Implied odds assuming that Villain is paying you off with overpair every time which is not the case. Fold and move on.
(That being said I recently called in very similair situation vs ZeeBo and paid dearly [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

Best wishes

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

Underbetting as a show of "weakness" works better OOP. Here, Villain is going to be too often worried that you are milking him with a monster to CR with an overpair.

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

You have to make the pot bigger on the flop because of his likely holdings he is folding few if any of them to a flop raise.

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

I'm surprised you called the raise preflop. What was your postflop plan when you didn't flop a set?

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

The pre-flop call could be pretty bad, I was calling 135 to go after about 2000 if I could stack him. I thought this was fine and have started playing more pocket pairs in general because of what people have said on ths board, but now very good posters like flawless victory are telling me this is wrong so I dont know.

My other thought pre-flop was that this guy could just be making a move at all this dead money so if I called him Heads Up in position I might be able to take the pot one way or another by the turn. Are really good players mucking 88 here all the time? I would think guys like Spirit Rock, KKF, Antonius etc wouldnt let 88 go here at gun point

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

2000 is different than 16 and change.

Results
 

Opponent had TT and checkraised em all in, I called and won

Re: Top Set, can calling the flop look weak?
 

So you fold pf?