Re: river raise
 

i don't see how this is a bad raise. we beat any reasonable K, any T (edit: and he'll call the raise with them), he has a 5 or TT like never, a backdoor flush is somewhat unlikely, there are no possible straights, we stole from the cutoff so he may suspect we have a large range, and we are basically never folding the best hand if we get 3-bet.

Re: river raise
 

Perfect, exactly how i'd play it.

Not sure why almost everyone else prefers just a call. That seems way too passive in a game with this many donks. I raise expecting to see 10x or a King with a low kicker.

Fold to a 3bet seems good without a read.

Re: river raise
 

I like it.

that river donk is a weak hand and he'll call with a lot of worse K/7/T hands

Re: river raise
 

i like it joker. i think most of the unknowns would go for a c/r with 2pair or better.
imo, these donkbets often is some random crap and this guys will call this raise with lots.

nh

Re: river raise
 

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"Call the river."

i would appreciate more than this. not so much for my sake, but i really don't want to see this forum goto crap.

anyway, don't you think a big hand like a flush, straight, or trips check raises the river?

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Not always. Some guys check raise, but plenty of guys just bet their flush when it hits because they worry it will get checked through. No straight out there... I think a weirdly played 5 could do this also. I just don't see enough hands that you are ahead of here. His play is definetly weird, but I think that weirdness tends to mean he either has you beat, or if he has a hand that you beat, probably won't call your raise, therefore giving you no value. I'm sure sometimes you get some value out of some crazy K with a worse kicker or crazy T, but I don't think this happens more then the times you lose 1 extra BB to trips or the flush. Sorry for my original post.

Re: river raise
 

Why are you raising the river? He is representing at least trips or a flush. I call the river.

Re: river raise
 

I'm not sure I like the raise, but I don't agree at all with people saying he will fold worse hands to your raise.

Re: river raise
 

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"Call the river."

i would appreciate more than this. not so much for my sake, but i really don't want to see this forum goto crap.

anyway, don't you think a big hand like a flush, straight, or trips check raises the river?

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Nope, I would bet it. I think most of the time you are better off just betting your hand on the river like this if you have it.

Re: river raise
 

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I'm not sure I like the raise, but I don't agree at all with people saying he will fold worse hands to your raise.

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He will fold some worse hands to your raise. I just don't think the times he has a worse hand that he is calling with outweighs the time he has trips or a flush or a better king.

Re: river raise
 

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not liking it against an unknown

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what exactly don't you like.

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His kings up beat our kings up. Also, I don't know how common it is at this level for villains to donk trips 1-2 rounds after they hit, but that is a strong possibility too.