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chessforlife 11-08-2005 03:16 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
good question. true answer: it depends on the individual casino.

i know this because i do it. most recently, i was at the MIRAGE in vegas. i did it. the floorman said if i did it again, my hand would be forfeit.

the point-- ask the floorman if they allow it.

11-08-2005 05:11 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
Here's the thing though - if its preflop there is NO reason that you want ANYONE folding... unless you dont like money... in which case you shouldnt be playing. If its post flop and I am your opponent, I am calling the floor and getting the hand ruled dead because you just ruined MY pot that I was going to take from both you and the people that were dumb enough to call you.

What is the reasoning behind wanting people out of the pot when you have the best hand?

WhiteWolf 11-08-2005 05:43 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
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Here's the thing though - if its preflop there is NO reason that you want ANYONE folding... unless you dont like money... in which case you shouldnt be playing. If its post flop and I am your opponent, I am calling the floor and getting the hand ruled dead because you just ruined MY pot that I was going to take from both you and the people that were dumb enough to call you.

What is the reasoning behind wanting people out of the pot when you have the best hand?

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Barry Tanenbaum has an article in the latest CardPlayer magazine about this. The article discusses "prospect theory," which states people have a tendency to favor a sure win (getting everyone to fold to an AA push) over a gamble for a bigger amount (getting everyone to call), even if the gamble has a higher EV than taking the sure thing. Although it makes no sense from a logical perspective, it is a very strong tendency in a lot of people. This may be what is what is motivating the OP here.

RoyalLance 11-08-2005 05:44 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
Very Very Very Very Very Very bad move, legal or not. Showing Aces pre-flop is a very poor poker play in Hold'em.

If a player behind you is holding Kings or Queens and you show the Aces as you push, what kind of money do you think you will get compared to not showing your hand?

I hate to criticize but if you can't stand loosing money, maybe shouldn't be playing poker in the first place.

PJM1206 11-08-2005 09:27 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
definitely poor taste. It is proivdes your opponents inforamtion on cards left in the deck which improves there decsions making which could hurt you and the other players.

TexArcher 11-08-2005 09:42 PM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
Legal? Depends on the venue.

Stupid? Everywhere.

11-09-2005 06:08 AM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
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What is the reasoning behind wanting people out of the pot when you have the best hand?

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Because my hand will not prob hold up against 3 opps.
The pot is so big that i am satisfied with just these chips.
Less is more [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

11-09-2005 06:21 AM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
good question. true answer: it depends on the individual casino.

i know this because i do it. most recently, i was at the MIRAGE in vegas. i did it. the floorman said if i did it again, my hand would be forfeit.

the point-- ask the floorman if they allow it.


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cool to have at least one supporting me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

it doesn't really matter what other thinks, to me it makes sense to do this card flip. specially in a tournament with a high enter fee or a cash game pot with alot of chips in it.

if you cant settle with less than ALL, you most of the time will fall [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

11-09-2005 07:02 AM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
What is the reasoning behind wanting people out of the pot when you have the best hand?

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Because my hand will not prob hold up against 3 opps.
The pot is so big that i am satisfied with just these chips.
Less is more [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Except no, less is less. And how many opponents do you expect to call your all in raise after a bet and raise?

Seriously - you need to reevaluate your play because this is just stupid.

11-09-2005 07:06 AM

Re: is this legal to do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
good question. true answer: it depends on the individual casino.

i know this because i do it. most recently, i was at the MIRAGE in vegas. i did it. the floorman said if i did it again, my hand would be forfeit.

the point-- ask the floorman if they allow it.


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cool to have at least one supporting me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

it doesn't really matter what other thinks, to me it makes sense to do this card flip. specially in a tournament with a high enter fee or a cash game pot with alot of chips in it.

if you cant settle with less than ALL, you most of the time will fall [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If you did this in a tournament, even if I was going to fold, I'd have the floor on you in a second.

Did you read TOP? Isnt the principal idea that if you play your hand like you would if you knew my cards a winning play?

Why give your opponents ALL the information he needs to know? There are times where showing your AA would actually make sense for your opponent to call you anyway?

My point here - do what you want. I hope you get reprimanded and your aces mucked. Only bad players have to rely on cheating.


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