Re: Folding KK on an all-undercard flop...to one bet.
 

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On the other hand, I'll win this small tourney about 3x the average by playing small-ball early and pushing people around late. They've got a similar small-field $100+10 tourney on weekends and I've won straight up 6/14 times this year with fields of 24, 22, and 15 amongst my wins. It's not a given that I should race 2-pair here.

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Re: Folding KK on an all-undercard flop...to one bet.
 

I dont think a fold here is that bad considering there are only 9 out of 11 people left and you have a deep stack with good strucutre. If this were larger tourney I would commit my chips to accumulate for later stages. but since this is basically a deepstacks SNG, I dont think accumulating is as important as it is for a MTT. I dont think I would fold this but does my logic make sense?

Re: Folding KK on an all-undercard flop...to one bet.
 

This was at Bugsy's Club. Anyway, I happen to have results, so here goes. I admit that I probably passed up a +EV play here and made a marginally bad fold. I don't think it can be too terrible because I don't see anybody betting 3x the pot while putting 1/3 of their stack in without having a pretty good range.

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Event Buy-In: $50+$5 ($550 total prize pool)
Level III: 50/100 Blinds (25 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 12,222.22 (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 9 (11 started)
Seat 1 : craptastic16 starts with 11,450
Seat 2 : CieloAzor starts with 10,325
Seat 3 : geofft81 starts with 10,025
Seat 4 : MacCommons starts with 7,575
Seat 5 : Jimmy19 starts with 10,625
Seat 6 : augmented starts with 32,875
Seat 7 : Git-r-dun starts with 7,675
Seat 8 : mzha0504 starts with 11,125
Seat 9 : coach1126 starts with 8,325
Seat 3 : geofft81 has the dealer button

>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
CieloAzor dealt down K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
MacCommons posts the small blind 50
Jimmy19 posts the big blind 100
augmented folds
Git-r-dun folds
mzha0504 calls 100
coach1126 folds
craptastic16 folds
CieloAzor raises 275 to 375
geofft81 folds
MacCommons calls 325
Jimmy19 folds
mzha0504 calls 275
>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
MacCommons checks
mzha0504 bets 3,475
CieloAzor folds
MacCommons calls 3,475

>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
MacCommons checks
mzha0504 bets 7,275 and is all-in
MacCommons calls 3,725 and is all-in
mzha0504 takes back 3,550
mzha0504 cards were 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
MacCommons cards were A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
MacCommons wins 15,625 with an ace high flush

Re: Folding KK on an all-undercard flop...to one bet.
 

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I don't think it can be too terrible because I don't see anybody betting 3x the pot while putting 1/3 of their stack in without having a pretty good range.

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Perhaps at Bugsy's Club, which means I'm probably getting an account there...but not at a big site.