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look at the dealer at go "omg is he really all in? crap. FLOOR!! HE said ALL IN out fo turn, is that binding?"

then bitch and moan for like 3 minutes about how he went all in out of turn, until the opponent is sure that you have nothing.

the go "i call. quads." and punch him in the face.

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look at the dealer at go "omg is he really all in? crap. FLOOR!! HE said ALL IN out fo turn, is that binding?"

then bitch and moan for like 3 minutes about how he went all in out of turn, until the opponent is sure that you have nothing.

the go "i call. quads." and punch him in the face.

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i like this. or say "well, in that case, I raise the minimum" and ask the dealer how much that is. then giggle uncontrollably when he pushes and say "I trap you, Mr. Son of the Bitch."

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Do I make a normal raise or do I push all in?

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Look concerned and say "How much is that?"

If he's going to resist actually putting all his money in the pot, let's get on with the floor-calling. It's tempting to be cute about it, but everyone will just as much enjoyment out of your crushing him quickly as they would from your crushing him slowly.

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Well, what happened?

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Say call. He is binded to it now. If he said all in it is binding.

Re: YMTC on a possible angle shooter
 

How did it feel to have ~720BB at the table and see Villain's embaressingly "short" stack?

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Say call. He is binded to it now. If he said all in it is binding.

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What the hell is wrong with you people? It's unclear at best if villain's "all-in" is binding or not. In some places action out of turn is binding, in some places it's not, in some places checks out of turn are binding but bets and raises aren't.

Why risk your opponent being able to call or fold just in case his all-in doesn't happen to actually be binding? Just ask the dealer for Christ's sake.

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How could Villain possibly dig himself out of that hole if OP said, "I call."?

Villain: "Oh, I was just kidding."

People used to get shot for pulling stunts like this.

Shot.

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look at the dealer at go "omg is he really all in? crap. FLOOR!! HE said ALL IN out fo turn, is that binding?"

then bitch and moan for like 3 minutes about how he went all in out of turn, until the opponent is sure that you have nothing.

the go "i call. quads." and punch him in the face.

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Glen: Yeah I know what you'd like to do. You'd like to find the guy who did it, rip his still beating heart out of his chest and hold it in front of his face so he can see how black it is before he dies.

Davy: Actually, I was thinking of filing a grievance with the union.

Glen: Well, the world's a twisted place.

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How could Villain possibly dig himself out of that hole if OP said, "I call."?

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Is this really that difficult? Villain said "I'm all in" after hero said "raise" but before hero either said how much he was raising or moved more chips out.

This entire thread is predicated on what to do in case the villain is shooting an angle (intentionally or not) since he has acted out of turn. There are a few possibilities:

-Villain is intentionally shooting an angle. He knows that his action out of turn is not binding and is waiting to see what hero will do. He hasn't actually acted but now gets to see hour hero reacts.

-Villain is unintentionally shooting an angle. He doesn't know that his acting out of turn is not binding but still gets to see that his opponent is willing to go all-in. It's improbable but he might realize he acted out of turn and still be able to get away without putting all his chips in.

In either of the above scenarios, simply asking the dealer whether villain's all-in is binding allows our hero to react appropriately without tipping the strength of his hand.

If anyone can come up with a reason for not doing this I'd like to hear it.