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manpower 10-31-2005 01:49 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
I bet this turn. He's peeling with overcards very often and you can't call him down if he decides to bet.

I bet this river too. He probably has a 6 or another low pocket pair. Fold to a raise.

Victor 10-31-2005 03:46 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
just bet the riv bc he will call with any pair here. however, he will check behind with all of these pairs but bet all his 8s or aces.

TomBrooks 10-31-2005 04:15 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
I'm just calling with KJo OOP.

As played, I'm checking the flop and seeing what happens behind me.

jt1 10-31-2005 05:37 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
I think the turn debate is very interesting. The Ace increases your fold equity but only if UTG is a flop peeler who open limps quite a bit. Is he?

River, easy bet fold

pre-flop is also interesting: And I agree with Brooks, here. But normally I raise KJo in the sb but I'll call if I have reason to believe that there's an ace out there in a small field. You were playing the game, but I think UTG's stats would have me thinking twice about raising KJo in SB. (For the same reason, I'd probably just check fold the turn)

imitation 10-31-2005 06:20 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
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The goobers calling w/low PPs on the flop aren't folding them on the turn. I think the only folding equity you have is from hands you are currently beating

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i'd disagree w/this based on my experience

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Right because you can see what cards are folded out on the turn???

Preflop, dislike it given the line up, UTG limper with those stats may actually have you dominated, BB is not folding and likely peels on the flop + UTG might peel the flop as well after BB calls and he is closing action and you really don't have clue where you are come the turn.

Flop, ok you follow through ofcourse.

Turn, ehh it's a good card but you're betting into 2 of them I really don't like the chances that they both peeled without an A.

River, you get this far you should bet.

mperich 10-31-2005 07:32 AM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
Bet fold...the only missed draw that you are inducing a bluff from is a 57 limp utg. Might as well bet to get calls from pocket pairs (likely utg limp) or a 6.

ddubois 10-31-2005 09:05 PM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
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Right because you can see what cards are folded out on the turn???

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It is a truism that we only see what people call with, and never what they fold. Which sentence does this trusim lend credence to? :
1) "Some people might even fold a better hand (22-55)."
2) "The goobers calling w/low PPs on the flop aren't folding them on the turn."

me454555 10-31-2005 10:12 PM

Re: KJ OOP - checkup
 
both of the statements are true but it all depends on the player you're facing. Against the avg donk statement 2 is true. Against a weak tight or 2p2er, statement 1 is true


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