Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

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Dogs are better manifestations of nature/life/god than humans are most of the time. Dogs are dumb and don't know to be anything different than dogs. Humans are smart and try to get famous so others will verify their existence. In this sense, dogs are true to themselves whereas people conjure up all sorts of ideas in their heads about who they are which is actually separate from reality and is not truth.


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POTW

I don't necessarily agree with the rest but...well-said anyway.

I'd kill the guy too.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

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You must check a box after which a random human will die six hours sooner than his time or three ownerless dogs will be excruciatingly tortured for a half an hour.


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David, I am not sure I have caught up on all the prior dog threads but I have read at least a few. In this hypo, in contrast to the others, I read it as the chooser now being the affirmative agent for shortening a human's life by 6 hours as opposed to, in the prior examples, failing to extend a person's life who was otherwise "scheduled" to die at an appointed time. Is that what you intended? If so, I see this as a very different situation than the earlier hypos.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

No Idea.

Its not that you have judged it perfectly at one tortured dog equals two hours of human life.

The problem is that both events have such a low absolute value of importance to me, that just about any exterior factor favouring one of them will clinch the decision.

As to exact amount of human life a tortured dog is worth, I just don’t see the model the data would be a part of being much use.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

I remember a while ago when Sklansky said in BIG CAPS that he was going somewhere with this.

I vote to kill the guy, no question. It is not even a close call when comparing just 6 hours of human life vs. three tortured dogs. I don't know how many hours you'd have to add until I'd change my vote. But it would be a lot more for me.

Sklansky, put all of us tortured dogs out of our misery soon and spill the beans on where you're going with this. I know with this much effort you've put in, it should be very interesting. At least I hope it is.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

Gotta side with the dogs. That box is the same as flipping the switch on the shock cage.

Then that gets me wondering who is flipping the switch on the torture and how this affects them, and I don't want to give someone who wants to torture dogs the opportunity or force someone who doesn't like doing that to do it.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

I really do not see why you don't add polls to your dog and morality posts.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

I haven't read too many of the replies to these threads, but am I the only one that would torture any and all of the dogs in the world for 1 minute of human life?

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

Yes I think you are. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I know every minute of Human Life is precious, however it is not going to change very much.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

you still can't torture the dogs. 6 hours in the grand scheme of things is nothing. and if you think about it, the last 6 hours of someone's life usually are pretty dull.

and because it's a random person this could mean a 32-year old father of 4 dies 6 hours ahead of his time. either way it's going to be a major shock. say he was due to get in a car crash and die a 7pm. wow!! everyone is shocked. but now instead of getting in the car crash on the way home, he gets in the crash on the way to the casino at 1pm. wow!! everyone is shocked just the same. there is no difference except that 3 dogs didn't get tortured.

Re: Almost There Dogwise
 

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you still can't torture the dogs. 6 hours in the grand scheme of things is nothing. and if you think about it, the last 6 hours of someone's life usually are pretty dull.

and because it's a random person this could mean a 32-year old father of 4 dies 6 hours ahead of his time. either way it's going to be a major shock. say he was due to get in a car crash and die a 7pm. wow!! everyone is shocked. but now instead of getting in the car crash on the way home, he gets in the crash on the way to the casino at 1pm. wow!! everyone is shocked just the same. there is no difference except that 3 dogs didn't get tortured.

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or it could be the guy who was going to discover the cure for cancer but didn't.