Re: A hand from this weekend
 

Lil,

Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I am just learning and any help is appreciated. Others have said that a reraise after the turn would have been correct just as you said. It was a terrible beat and the loose/aggressive player was not going to back down (frankly, with his cards, I wouldn't have either). Sigh, oh well. Live and learn.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

I was speaking about after the flop (there were still 2 out). Of course, after the turn I could only be chopped. The river was a dagger.

Full house check?
 

Until you get really good, and not just think you are, bet every single full house you ever get. Sure you will lose a few hands. SO WHAT!?! If you waste time trying to figure out when you MAY be beat, you will lose a lot of bets.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

On the turn, go a few more bets until you are sure your opponent has the case Jack. You have the nuts and at worst are tied.

The Jack on the turn is an utterly horrible card for you. It kills your action except from opponents who have a T or the case J (and even a T will only check and call).

-- Homer

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

You say yippee again on the turn card, but it's actually quite a bad one for you, as you have now been counterfeited. The turn raise clearly represents the case Jack, and you gain nothing from 3-betting because, as you noted, he is now a money favorite over you (though if you really put him on AA-QQ, which is IMO not a very good read, then you probably should 3-bet). You were correct to call the turn raise and then check-call the river. Poker's a rough game.. this was a tough beat.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

As Homer said, he could be tied at worst. Why not raise again to be sure in case he isn't? At 3-6, who knows what wacky crap he could have? Does it hurt that much to raise again?

Perhaps I am not giving enough credit to the average $3-$6 live player.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

On the turn you are splitting with Any jack, not just JT ... the only ones that can potentially steal the hand from you are AJ-KJ-QJ.

Even though the turn isn't the worst card in the deck, it certainly isn't one you wanted to see. You are now chopping instead of winning and the two pair on the board is going to kill all your action from the hands you want to stay in the pot.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

I agree that you should go one more bet at least before slowing down on the turn, enough people will bet a 10 here to make it profiatble.

Re: Full house check?
 

"Until you get really good, and not just think you are"

Umm, who said that I thought I was? As I have said, I am new and just learning. This forum has, for the most part, been exceedingly helpful in speeding up the curve.

Of course, there are some who justify their small amount of knowledge by ridiculing those who are just learning. I am sure your slap was unintentional and that you would not fall into that category.

Your advice on playing every full house betting everything is a little illogical but your point is taken.

Re: A hand from this weekend
 

Lil,

I probably should have bet out instead of calling. However, I didn't. Dumb move that worked out ok.

Just a quick note about about the 3/6 game. The game is on a Riverboat in the St. Louis area. A smaller cardroom and the only games spread for Holdem are 3/6, 6/12, and 10/20. On the weekends they will spread a 20/40 game that is very competitive. The 3/6 game is usually pretty tight/passive with many regulars. They know the game pretty well and it's been a great place to practice learning fundamentals without getting killed.