Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

You're right his range of preflop hands is broader. But that doesn't mean he'll play for his entire stack on the flop if he doesn't hit big. And I see no hands that hit this flop big except for 44/88/KK/AA/AK...

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

I do trust my read on him, I'm just unsure to whether "almost sure" means "sure more than 75% of the time" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

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do you think you're good here more than 25% of the time? if so, then call...


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Can't you be good here a little more than that? If we are behind, we have outs to the better hand.

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

results? you called?

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As you may already have guessed I called and he showed 44 for the set.

When faced with the decision I saw nothing but a clear call and didn't really think it through because of the great pot odds. But the more I look at it now, the more I lean towards folding. If the exact same situation came up again, I would probably call anyway... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

Raising from the blinds with a drawing hand is not a good idea.

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

I don't think of AK only as a drawing hand

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More specifically, I don't want to play AKs against eight other players when my only decent winning chances will be if I hit a straight, a flush or some other kind of monster.

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

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Raising from the blinds with a drawing hand is not a good idea.

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My eyes are bleeding.

Re: Can I ever lay this down or do I have to pay off?
 

It would take a really good read for me not to pay off here. Stacks aren't deep enough to get away from it. Yeah, I think you were destined to go down in flames on this hand.