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MINETZ 08-10-2005 09:48 PM

Re: Standard?
 
I think your ahead here becuase I dont think the villian would open raise with those low pockeet pairs for a set, I also dont see the villian smooth calling with aces after someone else called. I'd call thinking I was ahead.
Noah

Jazza 08-10-2005 09:51 PM

Re: Standard?
 
UTG+2 cold-called preflop

Jazza 08-10-2005 09:52 PM

Re: Standard?
 
i don't like raising preflop, i want his QQ/JJ to stay in

and it's a disaster if he pushes preflop with QQ/JJ and i fold getting ~ 3-1 on my money

MINETZ 08-10-2005 10:00 PM

Re: Standard?
 
Didnt see it was the cold caller who raised. im really torn in this hand now, some palyers will call thatm uch with a low pp trying to hit a set, or he could have tt-qq. Id rather get my money in than have no idea were i am on a q high, jack high, or ace high flop.
Noah

Macquarie 08-10-2005 10:02 PM

Re: Standard?
 
5/10 rule is that you should call a raise with speculative hands if the price is less that 5% of your opponents stack (or your stack if you do not cover). You should fold if price is greater than 10%.

In this case, the price is almost exactly 10% of what we stand to win if we stack the opponent. This is a special case though - we are not trying to spike a set against a raiser who might have a mediocre hand and so might not pay us off when we hit; we can be unusually confident here that we will get paid off.

In fact, we need only 7:1 for a set, and if we stack villain we are getting 10:1, so we actually only need to stack villain two times of each three we hit a set to make the call +EV. Sounds likely.

Macquarie 08-10-2005 10:04 PM

Re: Standard?
 
I think you played this one just right.

Jazza 08-10-2005 10:04 PM

Re: Standard?
 
this is what i was thinking, but i thought i had the rule wrong or something

swedeD 08-10-2005 10:21 PM

Re: Standard?
 
Is it really 7:1 spiking a set on the flop? To tired to calculate it myself, but aren't 7:1 the odds for spiking a set after seeing both the flop, turn and river?

Jazza 08-10-2005 10:27 PM

Re: Standard?
 
i was under the impression it was indeed about 7:1, maybe a touch more (7.2:1 or something)

a set by the river is ~4:1 i believe

Jazza 08-10-2005 10:28 PM

what\'s up with all these KK\'s?
 
same guy who raised my flop $30 bet in other hand is villian again:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($235.95)
UTG+1 ($108.10)
UTG+2 ($119.80)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($200)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($221.60)</font>
MP3 ($144)
CO ($241.90)
Button ($57.65)
SB ($459.10)
BB ($119.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls $17.

Flop: ($51) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $51</font>, Hero calls $51.

Turn: ($153) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $146.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $125 (All-In).

River: ($424.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $424.60


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