Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

Have to disagree with you there chill.

This isnt a question of domination, but pure pot odds. He is getting 10:1 from the pot. A call here with KJ is allmost obligotory in my book. Its only 30 chips so also the implied odds are big.

The key to success is to only play the flop if it hits hard.

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

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Have to disagree with you there chill.

This isnt a question of domination, but pure pot odds. He is getting 10:1 from the pot. A call here with KJ is allmost obligotory in my book. Its only 30 chips so also the implied odds are big.

The key to success is to only play the flop if it hits hard.

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You limp with KJ against 5 others. You hit flop hard and someone bets before you:

KJ10? Now what?
K102 Now what?
Q107? Now what?
KQ8? Now what?
JJQ? now what (ok RAISE lol)
J107? Now what?
K109?
AKJ?
AK2?

They are all hands designed to make you go broke and it's still early and I could use the 30 (especially in a party style structure). You may be right Pasty, but you need to be a very good post flop player.

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

Not many of the flops you mention are exactly hitting hard. Quite softly infact.

Id be looking for.

TQA [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (The implied odds on this are huge)
xKK
xJJ
xKJ

Those are the only flops I would consider playing.

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

fair enough lol You are a good post flop player

... most others would be burning away chips with 2nd best hands. My point really was that it's rarely worth playing trouble hands - because they are trouble hands.

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

I haven't read all posts so forgive me if it's been covered. Even if the guy didn't take away your odds with an all-in on the flop, you may still well hit the flush and come second (T high) with so many in the pot.

His all-in may well have been to protect top pair or even on the come himself with the Ace of the suit.

stoneii

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

Which all in might that be.

I think you might have the wrong thread.

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

No he said he called and folded on flop cos someone went all-in

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

"Level 1 of Party $10 SNG. I am in BB with a monster T5d. UTG raises to $45. 4 players cold call. SB folds. Who would call here and why or why not? "

Ok above is the original post. Please point out where an all in is mentioned. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Poll: Call or fold
 

"Thanks ddubious. I was looking at the obvious pot odds and thinking I could win a big pot or fold if I dont hit. I don't normally defend my blinds with crap but this I thought was a good opportunity to hit a big one. What I didn't take into consideration is the points you brought up about hitting the flop and still losing. BTW I did call, hit my flush draw, and someone went all in on the flop to ruin any odds so I had to fold."

I think this was what he was talking about.

BTW - Personally I'd fold, I would play KJ in the same position though, with a view to folding to any bets if I don't make a great hand