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imported_leader 12-25-2005 02:54 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
I'd c/c the river. Pretty much anything he has is betting, but getting raised here sucks.

LoaferGee12 12-25-2005 03:27 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
Yeah, agreed on the river check-call. The turn raise = straight or flush. No point in betting.

raze 12-26-2005 06:26 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
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This is 3/6. People limp reraise with whatever the hell they want.

Don't worry so much about his hand range. Concern yourself more with the fact that you capped the flop and he still raises the turn. This tells us that he's not scared of the straight. I suspect he either flopped a flush, or flopped a pair with the Ac.

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In 11K hands I think I've seen *three* limp/reraises. Tell me how this guy can have a flush w Kc Qc Jc on board ?

He's probably got the AcKx, maybe AA, or if he's a maniac then maybe KK/QQ/JJ (TT) and he's crazily defending his set. I'd love to see the results plz

SomethingClever 12-26-2005 07:10 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
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I'd love to see the results plz

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To be honest, when I played the hand, I didn't even notice that UTG had LRR'd me.

On the turn I figured we're chopping or he's freerolling me, so I slowed down.

When no flush card comes on the river, I bet again because I'm still pretty certain we're chopping at worst, or he's been overplaying something like AcXx, a set or two pair and I want at least one bet going in.

He showed KQ and my hand is good.

guns4show 12-26-2005 07:14 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
Looking at the results, your action should be completely player dependent.

TomBrooks 12-26-2005 07:31 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
If you have a read on UTG that he plays normally/reasonably preflop, I think you can safely...

3bet the turn. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a flush. If he does have one, the only kind I can imagine is a Royal because the weakest hand I can imagine him LRR'g preflop is ATs.

More likely he has AA or AK with a club for the made straight thats now chopping with you and a Royal Flush draw. He might cap the turn with that.

KK or QQ for a flopped set seems possible also. He probably won't cap the turn with that.

Since the river is a non club that didn't pair the board, I'd three bet. I'm pretty sure worst that will happen to you is a chop.

12-26-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
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12-26-2005 07:39 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
If he's freerolling, every BB we're putting is only getting a return of like .8BB.

TomBrooks 12-26-2005 08:09 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
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If he's freerolling, every BB we're putting is only getting a return of like .8BB.

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True. But if Villians only got a set, every BB we put in would be returning 1.8. I'd go for a three bet on the turn. Villian will probably just call that without a least a straight anyway.

SomethingClever 12-26-2005 09:31 PM

Re: Flop the nut straight - Merry Christmas!
 
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If he's freerolling, every BB we're putting is only getting a return of like .8BB.

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True. But if Villians only got a set, every BB we put in would be returning 1.8. I'd go for a three bet on the turn. Villian will probably just call that without a least a straight anyway.

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FWIW, I think it's more likely that he's freerolling than it is that he has a set or two pair. That's why I just called the turn but donked the river.


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