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Unarmed 07-17-2005 11:21 AM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 
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If I check call, we have a pot of ~550 on the turn. My stack is 735. I lead a non-scary (or any?) turn for 250-350...which gets me committed, doesn't it?

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If you flat call a flop bet, lead the turn and get raised, you are beat. Gven this, you CAN lead the turn for 250 and fold to a raise.

C/Ring the flop is bad because tons of idiots will flat call with overs and then you're OOP on the turn in a crappy spot. The only C/R here is all-in, which I don't mind, but we're a touch too deep I think.

I prefer calling and leading the turn because if we're beat, we don't lose everything. The downside is we risk giving a free card that beats us and/or we may be up against the odd opponent that will flat call with overs on the turn. However, I don't view this as all that likely because:

- there's only one card left
- flat calling the flop and leading the turn is one of the stronger lines in hold-em

Honestly, I think your stack is sort of in no-mans land here. Shorter and I C/R all in on the flop. Larger and I check/call, lead the turn. I think you can probably do either here, but I prefer the latter.

curtains 07-17-2005 03:24 PM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 
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I fold preflop to the 55 chip raise. If it was a bit smaller I call though.

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Really? Why? What is the difference between this raise and a smaller one?

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The difference is that Im investing a smaller percentage of my stack to either flop a set or for something else good to happen. I don't like investing over 5% of my stack in these situations.

Please note that this is just my style of playing and I don't profess by any means that folding is clearly better than playing the hand. I'm sure it's possible to call for some people, it just doesn't make me feel good.

Ryendal 07-17-2005 04:16 PM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 
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Anyway, there is a much better line here, try to figure it out by determining how you make the most against AK or lose the least against AA. (remember what you'd to if you were PF raiser with AK)


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I am really interested by the way you play by leading at the turn.
BTW I feel depressive to fold at the turn to get out of AA ... I will have a bit less 500 left, and it will happend more times than when the opponent will get some overpair, if he's a donk and "feel" him pot-commited.

Else to be sure, what do u do on a flop allin (yes I know it's a little brutal) , you call I guess ?

45suited 07-17-2005 04:19 PM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 
I would've folded this one.

I am interested in how much later in position you'd have to be to open raise with TT. I like your limp here, but I'd say if you were maybe one, definitely two positions later, I'd open raise with TT.

curtains 07-17-2005 04:59 PM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 

I would always open raise with TT from this position. I don't limp a hand this strong from 3 off the button.

MegaBet 07-17-2005 05:37 PM

Re: Sucking it up with TT - $55
 
Good preflop call, terrible flop call.

I'm looking for trips or at the very least the nut straight to be getting all my chips in.


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