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Good job, 6M.

Of course there are Congresspersons and Senators who can get more than cursory info - If they want it, care about it, or are willing to take the time and make the effort to inspect/investigate it.

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The vibe from M, Nut, and BCP is that the administration pulled on a sleight of hand in slightly distorting the true intelligence picture, but if the democrats in Congress had investigated adequately then then would have seen through it? The fact the dems were sucessfully mislead because they were too lazy or incompetent still leaves the administration dishonest. How can you guys miss this?

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So, what you're saying is, Congress must be held accountable regardless of the fact that the White House can manipulate what intelligence the members see and they can manipulate how it is presented?

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The fact the dems were sucessfully mislead because they were too lazy or incompetent still leaves the administration dishonest.

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Can you read minds? How do you know with utter certainty there was any dishonesty?

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So, what you're saying is, Congress must be held accountable regardless of the fact that the White House can manipulate what intelligence the members see and they can manipulate how it is presented?

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Yes. That's their job. Besides, I believe several committees have concluded that the executive branch did not try to pressure the intel people or seriously distort what intel was available.

All I know is that the type of intelligence not available to Congress should not be making that much of a difference because it is probably raw and unanalyzed. Do you know of intelligence that was available to the President but not to Congress that would have changed the votes of all those Democrats to against the war?

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Yes. That's their job. Besides, I believe several committees have concluded that the executive branch did not try to pressure the intel people or seriously distort what intel was available.

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All I know is that the type of intelligence not available to Congress should not be making that much of a difference because it is probably raw and unanalyzed. Do you know of intelligence that was available to the President but not to Congress that would have changed the votes of all those Democrats to against the war?

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I could tell you what I know, but I'd have to kill you. I think it would have been nice if they shared with Congress and the world what they had learned about the B.S. story of Saddam trying to buy material from Niger.

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I think it would have been nice if they shared with Congress and the world what they had learned about the B.S. story of Saddam trying to buy material from Niger.

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I believe British Intelligence still stands by that assessment.

I hope you're not going to drag Joe Wilson into this...

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I hope you're not going to drag Joe Wilson into this...

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Not unless Bush's henchmen drag his wife into this first.

Re: The \"we saw the same intel\" argument put to rest
 

I think that M, Nut, and BCP are saying that if Bush says the sky is blue, you'd better get your ass outside and doublecheck.

That's what you guys are saying, right? You're not blaming the Democrats for invading Iraq?

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because they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there weren't any. if that's not lying, the word has no meaning.