Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

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check to induce a bluff?

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I don't get this part. It makes it sound like you are sure you have the hand won (which based on the title I'm guessing you did win)

If the Button has a flush draw he shouldn't be raising here. (Especially if he plays 'moderately well')
I wouldn't expect him to being playing any 4 here either (except 44).

The only thing that makes sense is an ace.
You should fold the flop. IMO

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Completely agree. That is why i put her on a pocket pair. problem is 1/2 of the likely pocket pairs she might have involve a set. Given the way the hand played out I was 99% that I was ahead on the turn.

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I think you posted the hand with a gimmick account. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

blake

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

I usually just raise here for value preflop. What do you think makes limping superior?

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

preflop: perfect.

flop: fold. passive game, everybody limped, you dont have an ace, you have no reason to suspect that you are ahead. further, you are out of posisiton and haven't even reached teh big streets yet. fold.

turn, given you didn't fold on the flop, id say thats just about the only thing you could do. what do you do if she raises you? do you still think you're ahead?

river: check. if you're sure enough you're ahead then call getting 9:1.

Barron

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

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I usually just raise here for value preflop. What do you think makes limping superior?

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i actually think preflop is close, but i like the check, im really not sure what our equity edge is against their possible ranges, but i dont think its too much against all these limpers

by sacrificing a minor(i think) edge preflop we have the post-flop advantage of keeping the pot small, making it unprofitable for overs and weak draws to draw should we hit a favorible flop, also not tying us to the pot if we dont

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

BK, I am pretty sure that the check-3bet on the flop was the right play. here's why.

By the time the betting got to me, 2 players had already been knocked out. I just had to worry about the BB EP bettor and raiser. I know the EP better doesn't have an ace because most players in this game are so ABC that they auto check-call this on the flop. My only concern is the BB. (obviously if he calls 3 cold I have a problem and would shut down the turn.)

Given this, why not try to get heads up against the aggressive player?

I agree that in a 80+ game where good players tend to fast play alot more hands, this is an easier check-fold

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

I'm not sure that I have a feel for the right play here. If my image was lag enough I'd prlly just keep going on the river.

I would add though, that you can easily 'bet for value' (as perhaps you would here) believing that you're very likely losing, or indeed check to induce a bluff, while believing the 'induced bet' is not likely to be a bluff.

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I checked, villian thought for a bit and checked behind. I took the pot and vilian showed the 3 of spades.

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I checked, villian thought for a bit and checked behind. I took the pot and vilian showed the 3 of spades.

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why are you posting under 2 different names?

Barron

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because for some reason, i couldn't post with this account yesterday so I used a friends.

Re: easy value bet on the end or check to induce bluff? 30 bellagio
 

After you check-threebet the flop and lead the turn, I don't think anyone expects you to fold to a bet when you check the river. It looks like you are going to check and call. Even if he missed, there's a good chance he won't think it's worth bluffing if you check.