Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

Best case (IMO, most likely case) is a smaller ten and a flush draw.

Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

BB started with $2k. he is a decent, but not great regular. prob. a winning player by a little.

Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

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79 and 88 are monsters under the bed.

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Isn't that what you are supposed to see when it has been bet into PF raiser, cold called, Hero raises ~pot, cold-call, cold-call? He didn't say BB was donk-tastic...

I'm curious what some posters think the best case scenario is here.

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Also, this is 6-handed, which leans me even more towards substantially betting the turn.

Part 2:
 

so i checked the turn behind (which i said in my edited post was a 6, not a 7).

river was a 5, maniac checks, BB bets $200.

call or raise?

Re: Part 2:
 

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so i checked the turn behind (which i said in my edited post was a 6, not a 7).

river was a 5, maniac checks, BB bets $200.

call or raise?

[/ QUOTE ]i would not bet the turn. on the river, i guess you gotta raise...

Re: Part 2:
 

$200 into a 1500 pot?

im pretty sure you are golden here unless the SB is a knob and going for a risky double check-raise on the turn and then river.

but i don't really see much of a hand that is going to call a value raise here. maybe J10 was out there that picked up the gutshot on the turn.

i don't see any upside to raising here because i can't think of anything that will pay you off.

min-raise to piss him off?

Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

No way am I giving a free river card with $1.5k in the middle.

Lead the turn for ~$900 and call a push.

Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

yea you have to bet this turn. this smells like profitable opportunity. 97 is what you're mostly worried about but hey, you are supposed to be gambling. if BB is a semi-winning regular who says he even calls the flop raise with 97 there.

at the spur of the moment i would've checked also (because pot control is nice) but upon close scrutiny you are good too often and getting paid if you make a nice bet of 750 and call any raise (unless they both raise). full speed ahead.

action on the river confirms you were ahead and BB's bet should be raised to 700, hoping someone calls with a ten, or possibly something else.

Re: the wrong time for pot control?
 

I just have a hard time believing that the SB has 79 or 88. Given the action on the flop, I feel like he would lead the turn with either of those holdings. I put him on a hand like JT. BB is tougher. Again, I have a tough time putting him on 79 after the flop action. 88 is a possibility, but my guess is that he has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He didn't move in on the flop because he is concerned that his overcard outs are no good. He puts you on a good T and thinks that he has a chance to stack you both if he hits his draw. Bottom line. I agree with CofH that you need to bet the turn here.

If you check behind on the turn, I think that you have to consider a fold if a scare card hits on the river, SB leads at the pot, and BB moves in. Given the actual river action, I put in a small raise. It looks like the roles were reversed. SB had the draw, and BB a hand like JT.