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urbanati 12-22-2005 10:32 AM

Result
 
I pushed knowing it was wrong. Next time I will not do it...
He had AA and my KK did not improve.
Anybody lays this down preflop???

Supern 12-22-2005 10:42 AM

Re: Result
 
I would probably have folded preflop.
If I haven't seen him doing this with a weak hand before.

That's a big re-raise and you have only invested 5$ at this point.
And what are you going to do with a flop with no K when he pushes?
Nah I don't like that re-raise.
With QQ it's an easy fold.
With KK it's not as easy but still a fold.

That being said it's not as easy when you are sitting there with KK against a player you think may be on a steal. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Why put 80$ at stake when you know you might be in big trouble?

Yesterday I pushed with KK from SB against a stealraise.
He called with his QQ to double me up. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

PinkSteel 12-22-2005 10:49 AM

Re: Result
 
Your KK ran into an AA hand with position on you, played by a villain who is "quite loose, aggressive and is willing to bluff."

You should get stacked here every single time.

The worst flop in the world was a CHANCE to get away, but there's no way you can worry about this hand. You got cold-decked. Forget it.

beavens 12-22-2005 11:25 AM

Re: Result
 
this flop is a c-f - you're behind way too many hands.

12-22-2005 01:19 PM

Re: Result
 
This hand should be the beginning players first illustration in board reading.

What hand is KK ahead of? That would make such a large re-raise preflop? Not a single one. Fold. Pick the cards back up and fold them again. Fold them faster than a sheet of aluminum fold in a hurricane.... the key word here being "fold".

12-22-2005 01:29 PM

Re: Result
 
If he tried to get cute with 1010,JJ, or QQ that just set you. If he re-raised you with AA you are behind. If he did it was AK you are practically dead. Check/fold immediately.

12-22-2005 01:31 PM

Re: Result
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would probably have folded preflop.
If I haven't seen him doing this with a weak hand before.

That's a big re-raise and you have only invested 5$ at this point.
And what are you going to do with a flop with no K when he pushes?
Nah I don't like that re-raise.
With QQ it's an easy fold.
With KK it's not as easy but still a fold.

That being said it's not as easy when you are sitting there with KK against a player you think may be on a steal. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Why put 80$ at stake when you know you might be in big trouble?

Yesterday I pushed with KK from SB against a stealraise.
He called with his QQ to double me up. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

At a full table when you have KK it's 24-1 that your opponent will have AA. He can't fold here. If the flop comes three rags/babies then I'm going broke and the hero should, too.

This was a disaster flop that helps in the long run.


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