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schwza 12-06-2005 12:48 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
and to piggyback on your point again, who cares if he's pushing JTs? if his range is JTs+ QJ+ 66+ A6+ you're hosed. you need him to be pushing all kinds of crap - Q7s, K8o, 59s, etc. you need a big range, not just a tiny handful of things you're ahead of.

ansky451 12-06-2005 12:58 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
I'll piggyback on my piggyback.

I do beleive if you call here, you'd be burning money. You can't just say "if you are playing to win, you should gamble here." We are always playing to win/ maximize EV. There is simply a right and wrong answer here IMO. There are no antes, so even if he has A2o, you are barely getting the right price to flip.

Give me 77, 88, or AQ and I think we have a tough decision.

KQ I don't think its even close to being close.

schwza 12-06-2005 01:15 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
i would push/call AQ pretty quickly.

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so even if he has A2o, you are barely getting the right price to flip.


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and you still definitely want to fold if you know he has A2 because a blind might have a hand.

Roman 12-06-2005 01:43 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
As most have said, this is an easy fold, he really needs to be on almost any2 to make this right. This guy is in MP openpushing for 12x, I doubt his range is wide enough for a call.

I probably call AQ+ 99+ (im kinda unsure about 99, I would make that decision based on how easy it would be for me to steal onto the final table.)

mlagoo 12-06-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
id like to piggyback on ansky's piggyback of schwza's piggyback on ansky's post and say that i agree

bugstud 12-06-2005 04:16 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'll piggyback on my piggyback.

I do beleive if you call here, you'd be burning money. You can't just say "if you are playing to win, you should gamble here." We are always playing to win/ maximize EV. There is simply a right and wrong answer here IMO. There are no antes, so even if he has A2o, you are barely getting the right price to flip.

Give me 77, 88, or AQ and I think we have a tough decision.

KQ I don't think its even close to being close.

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quick point. if he's seen them make it 3x with like 15x stack with a premium hand (say QQ+ for kicks), run pokerstove again

billyjex 12-06-2005 05:47 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
Hey guys,

I just realized that the converter sucks, and the blinds were 750/1500. So he actually pushed w/ less than 9xbb. Does that change anyone's opinion?

Sorry for not picking up on this, I didn't know the converter could mess up a thing like that.

Exitonly 12-06-2005 05:59 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
Meh, it barely changes his range, and you're still not closing out action. You're still behind.

(And on a side note: i'm posting from my schools library, and this girl next to me just started hysterically crying. AWESOME.)

schwza 12-06-2005 06:00 PM

Re: Late in a Party $109 -- He\'s stealing...
 
it makes it a lot closer, but i think i still fold.


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