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A nice loud 'HOLD ON' is in order

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Who is saying 'hold on'? Only the player with the AJ should be saying that. Anyone else deserves to get 'Caponed'.

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I would have mentioned it after the pot was pushed, "Why did you muck the winning hand?"

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I agree with this. AFTER the hand say something.

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No one shot an angle here, the guy was just being a donk.

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It was likely a small angle. But how hard is it to table your hand? Or actually read the hand face up? Showdown is the easiest street to play, isn't it?

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No one was shooting an angle here. One guy clearly mucked his cards. End of story. Reading the board is a poker skill as well. If I was the OP, I would have mentioned it after the pot was pushed, "Why did you muck the winning hand?"

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This only leads to hard feelings, don't mention that he threw away a winner.

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No one was shooting an angle here. One guy clearly mucked his cards. End of story. Reading the board is a poker skill as well. If I was the OP, I would have mentioned it after the pot was pushed, "Why did you muck the winning hand?"

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This only leads to hard feelings, don't mention that he threw away a winner.

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It also leads to a very important lesson.

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Re: Ethical thing / best hand not winning at showdown
 

I personally think the dealer is at fault here. It is his job to announce the hand. When the guy turns over the QJ, the dealer should take the cards, put them in the middle, push up the 3 other cards on the board (AKx) and announce 'AKQJ high'. This way, if the other player is attentive at all, he may realize that there is no flush.

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the dealer should take the cards, put them in the middle, push up the 3 other cards on the board (AKx) and announce 'AKQJ high'

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This is incorrect. THe ONLY time a delaer should try to take a player's cards is to muck them. A player should never let a dealer have his cards until he sees he is beat or has the pot.

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This is incorrect. THe ONLY time a delaer should try to take a player's cards is to muck them. A player should never let a dealer have his cards until he sees he is beat or has the pot.

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I don't disagree with that, but is it correct for the dealer to announce the putative winning hand? While I wouldn't go so far as to say it was the dealer's fault, the situation could possibly have been avoided if the dealer announced "Queen high." ('AKQJ high', though technically correct, strikes me as overkill; no one refers to their hold 'em hand that way.)

Just wondered, since Randy always seems to be one of the more informed posters on this forum.

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but is it correct for the dealer to announce the putative winning hand? While I wouldn't go so far as to say it was the dealer's fault, the situation could possibly have been avoided if the dealer announced "Queen high." ('AKQJ high', though technically correct, strikes me as overkill; no one refers to their hold 'em hand that way.)

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THis really depns on the limit. I am playing too many hands to go back to the OP, but in smaller games the dealer should announce the hnad "queen high" in bigger games the delaer should be quiet and deal. What consitutes a bigger game would vary by market.

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One player to a hand please.

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